Punks Hate Prog.

It may be biased, but then everyone is biased according to one's musical tastes. And there is a lot of truth in what is written on this site (I browsed through it a little). Bands like Genesis and Yes indeed had turned into dinosaurs, and it is no wonder that the rise of punk coincided with the creative decline of Genesis, Yes, ELP and other bands. And there was a creative decline! They had sold out. Punk was a necessary and vital transfusion of blood into rock music, and some bands picked up a lot of influences from it.
Of course they exaggerate a lot, and I wouldn't be in here if I didn't like those "dinosaurs". But as much as I like a musical style I try to keep an open mind, and the criticism of prog rock of the late 70s is more than justified.
Ironically though punk fell into the same trap. The music industry quickly turned the revolt into "business as usual" with a capital "B".

BaldFriede wrote: It may be biased, but then everyone is biased according to one's musical tastes. And there is a lot of truth in what is written on this site (I browsed through it a little). Bands like Genesis and Yes indeed had turned into dinosaurs, and it is no wonder that the rise of punk coincided with the creative decline of Genesis, Yes, ELP and other bands. And there was a creative decline! They had sold out. Punk was a necessary and vital transfusion of blood into rock music, and some bands picked up a lot of influences from it. Of course they exaggerate a lot, and I wouldn't be in here if I didn't like those "dinosaurs". But as much as I like a musical style I try to keep an open mind, and the criticism of prog rock of the late 70s is more than justified. Ironically though punk fell into the same trap. The music industry quickly turned the revolt into "business as usual" with a capital "B".

i agree to a extent...i like punk, though articles like that kinda make me ashamed to like punk.

 

  Well he seems to know a lot about prog for someone who doesn't like it. I suspect he has aquired more than a few prog recordings and had more than a few listens. So if he really dislikes it as much as he claims why has he spent so much time listening to it.

 Whatever you do you can be criticised and so it is with prog. You can try to be creative and someone derides you for being pretentious.

 His point seems to be that he loves the anti establishment side of punk and hates the selling out of guys like Mclaren and co. But remember that hating is the other side of the coin to loving so those who really hate the establishment secretly long to be part of it. See Mick Jagger getting his knighthood with a huge grin from ear to ear and his dad saying he was always a good boy, no trouble at all.

 So what you have is quite a narrow minded person who thinks that rock and roll should only be a certain way and anyone who does it differently stinks. The logic in the writing is very poor.It is not at all objective so doesn't merit as much response as I have alredy given it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

tuxon wrote: Funny thing is, the writer keeps talking about pop-music, and how Prog altered the pop-music world, so i can only guess he thinks punk = pop.   I think Sid vicious is turning in his grave over this.

its pretty hypocritical when this guy calls prog crappy comercial music(which it isnt) and prog bands sellouts and yet, punk bands have made much more pop songs and chart topping hits than any prog band, and when was the last time you heard a camel or gong song on a tv comercial?, never...but you hear songs by joan jett, the ramones and the clash in tv comercials all the time.

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BaldFriede wrote: It may be biased, but then everyone is biased according to one's musical tastes. And there is a lot of truth in what is written on this site (I browsed through it a little). Bands like Genesis and Yes indeed had turned into dinosaurs, and it is no wonder that the rise of punk coincided with the creative decline of Genesis, Yes, ELP and other bands. And there was a creative decline! They had sold out. Punk was a necessary and vital transfusion of blood into rock music, and some bands picked up a lot of influences from it.Of course they exaggerate a lot, and I wouldn't be in here if I didn't like those "dinosaurs". But as much as I like a musical style I try to keep an open mind, and the criticism of prog rock of the late 70s is more than justified.Ironically though punk fell into the same trap. The music industry quickly turned the revolt into "business as usual" with a capital "B".

I totally agree with you Baldfriede. Cheers on that

And Progs hate punk

I didn't read that much of the article above, but there is something I would like to say. Not all punks hate prog. I happen to be a fan of both genres of music. I grew up listening to nothing but underground punk music and in recent years, some friends have gotten me into progressive rock.

I just wanted to say that not all punks are like this. Yes, some are arrogant, ignorant a-holes, but quite a few others are actually well mannered, very smart people that are openminded to other genres of music. Others just feel they are superior to everyone else (and some prog fans can be like this too).

I would have to disagree.  Maybe I know the wrong group of metalheads...  I post on another forum, where metal is the main topic (instead of prog), and while metal is the most-discussed music there, among the regulars, we talk about everything we're into, be it prog, punk, pop, indie, or otherwise, and anyone who balks at the non-metal discussion gets a dirty look.  We love our metal there, but we can recognize when it's a bit silly, and have no problem takin' the piss.

Some metalhead forums are absolutely atrocious...  I do have to agree with that.  But you can't generalize that...  there are a lot of extremely intelligent metalheads.

It's the same old silly argument focusing on the same narrow views of prog. I couldn't care less - if he doesn't want to listen to prog then that's his problem. I shan't be listening to mainstream punk any time soon.