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Publius 
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:01 |
OK, a subject much dodged around, Lets go in all guns blazing...in terms of prog metal, what do y'all make of the Master Of Puppets album? I personally think, in terms of prog metal, that it is rather prog and is definitely an influence for many bands that are actually known as prog metal.
Come on, just listen to this album! I hate thrash metal but I LOVE Master Of Puppets. The song structures are inventive, listenable and very varied. They are also of a very substantial length.
Your turn! :P
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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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Arioch
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:04 |
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Publius
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:08 |
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Thanks for that...anyone else?
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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:09 |
 Publius wrote:
OK, a subject much dodged around, Lets go in all guns blazing...in terms of prog metal, what do y'all make of the Master Of Puppets album? I personally think, in terms of prog metal, that it is rather prog and is definitely an influence for many bands that are actually known as prog metal.
Come on, just listen to this album! I hate thrash metal but I LOVE Master Of Puppets. The song structures are inventive, listenable and very varied. They are also of a very substantial length.
Your turn! :P
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Absolutely right!!!
It's the first prog metal album - at least, first in terms of what is now called prog metal (as everyone knows, Rush were first).
Ride The Lightning is a kind of proto-prog metal, but Master really underpins everything that's happening in prog metal now - nearly 20 years on.
Even Dream Theater seem to recognise this, as they covered the album in it's entirity - and had real difficulties doing so.
It's prog metal alright. No question.
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:09 |
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It has progressive moments, but nothing I would call Prog Metal. And Orion is easily one of my favorite instrumentals.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:11 |
I wonder how Metallica might have developed if Cliff hadn't died.
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MANTICORE
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:11 |
in that case... I vote for.....And justice for all.. 
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Zargus
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:12 |
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I absolutly think its prog metal, nothing to talk about yust lisen to it its very progresiv... and a great album.
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MANTICORE
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:13 |
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but metallica not prog ....heavy metal.
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:17 |
Arioch wrote:
Metallica=non prog.
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I totally agree with that How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:19 |
MANTICORE wrote:
but metallica not prog ....heavy metal. |
go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:20 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
MANTICORE wrote:
but metallica not prog ....heavy metal. |
go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.
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I agree. But Hendrix and Deep Purple are not Metal....
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Arioch
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:20 |
King of Loss wrote:
Arioch wrote:
Metallica=non prog.
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I totally agree with that How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?
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It must be that single same unchanging beat that echoes so loudly through the speakers , that it makes your ears bleed, that makes it so progressive.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:21 |
King of Loss wrote:
Arioch wrote:
Metallica=non prog.
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I totally agree with that How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?
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Master Of Puppets is, and Ride The Lightning also. The rest is raw Metal (Kill 'Em All), Thrash (... And Justice For All), Modern (Commercial) Metal (The Black Album, Load, Reload) and Emocore Foobar Trash (St. Anger).
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:22 |
Arioch wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
Arioch wrote:
Metallica=non prog.
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I totally agree with that How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?
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It must be that single same unchanging beat that echoes so loudly through the speakers , that it makes your ears bleed, that makes it so progressive.
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unchanging??? I love those statements that show that they didn't even listen to the album.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:24 |
King of Loss wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
MANTICORE wrote:
but metallica not prog ....heavy metal. |
go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.
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I agree. But Hendrix and Deep Purple are not Metal....
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See my thread in non-prog music about the history of metal. I hadn't thought that Hendrix was metal, but I've been told otherwise by many of the older (err... more experienced) members here. In fact, High Tide (1968) seem to be the first prog metal band.
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:24 |
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I really like the album, but NOT prog, in my opinion at least
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BleedingGum
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:25 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Arioch wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
Arioch wrote:
Metallica=non prog.
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I totally agree with that How is Metallica Progressive in anyway?
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It must be that single same unchanging beat that echoes so loudly
through the speakers , that it makes your ears bleed, that makes it so
progressive.
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unchanging??? I love those statements that show that they didn't even listen to the album. |
Yep... that's the only reason.
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...this is called....BleedingGum ... !
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:25 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
MANTICORE wrote:
but metallica not prog ....heavy metal. |
go home Heavy Metal is a dreadful label. Covers everything from Hendrix, Deep Purple and earliest Sabbath to Van Halen, Metallica, Anthrax and Meshuggah. Saying something is Heavy Metal is as meaningful as saying that something is Rock/Pop.
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I agree. But Hendrix and Deep Purple are not Metal....
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See my thread in non-prog music about the history of metal. I hadn't thought that Hendrix was metal, but I've been told otherwise by many of the older (err... more experienced) members here. In fact, High Tide (1968) seem to be the first prog metal band.
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Eh... Well it all depends on your views on such things, but oh well...
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Publius
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Posted: June 30 2005 at 17:26 |
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I'm sticking with my prog opinion. :)
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I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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