To include ELO in Progarchives

oliverstoned wrote: Garion81 wrote: oliverstoned wrote: sigod wrote: DallasBryan wrote: here we go again with the brits defining the catagory. they have decided for us, its been debated at Oxford and the Queen has made a ruling. think for once everyone else should decide this one! Off you go then... There's no risk of its being debated by your monkey-brainless-president Why would make such a stupid stament? It has nothing to with this thread. Sorry, it was to answer to Dallasbryan! that's him who start! But, as the proverb says, only thruth wounds!

 

Yeah, I see that. He mentioned the Queen and Oxford among other things.    Just didn't think we needed another thread to bash GWB. Got enough of them in the "Things Not Related" threads  

 

 

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sigod wrote: Guillermo wrote: I think that the Electric Light Orchestra should be included in this website. In my opinion, this band mixed Rock music with very good orchestral arrangements. I consider, at least, that their first 4 albums are more Progressive ("The Electric Light Orchestra" (71), "ELO2" (73), "On the Third Day" (73) and "Eldorado" (74)). Maybe they became more Pop rockers later, but other Prog bands like YES, GENESIS, PFM, TRIUMVIRAT, THE MOODY BLUES and others did it too. What do you think? Sorry Guillermo, we have this question asked every two or three months and it always gets voted down. I love ELO, 'Out Of The Blue' was the first album I ever owned and I can still find new things in it even today but for me, the argument is a tad futile as everybody remembers them for the pop stuff not the tricky stuff that they did in the early days. IMO they just don't 'feel' very proggy. What would Roy Wood think of us?

O.K. I didn`t know that this question has been asked before. I`m in this Forum since late November 2004. Anyway, thanks to all the people who gave their opinions.

anyone got Jeff Lynne's number - let's ask him.

Personally I think he'd say no. and I agree with him. As I posted elsewhere on this site, Lynn himself referred in the early 80s to his band as techno-pop (as in technological, not ectsasy-fuelled beats) and that's a pretty good description.

Great pop, not prog. Same goes for Supertramp. I love both, they're two of my favourite bands and while Eldorado and Crime of the Century have some pretty prog overtones, they just don't fit the bill for me. Straight pop/rock with a prog sensibility.

 

 

 I was once forced to watch a German TV broadcast of ELO once, after my friend mistook them for ELP and thought I'd be interested.  I have to say, amidst the massive light show in a huge stadium, with orchestral musicians straddling the flanks, I didn't notice anything untoward as the low rumlbing keyboard built up the tension.  Indeed, it took several dozen bars of actual music after the lights came up, before I actually realised his mistake.   

Whats my point you may ask?

I dont have one - except to say that I initially thought it was Black Moon...

 

For the record and the poll,

NO.

ELO are to prog as Britney is to metal.

awful, awful, non talented band.

Not instruments! Tracks! The instruments are certainly prog, but so too are the tracks.

Those two tracks, Kuiama and From the Sun to the world, are from an album of like-styled tracks. Of which there are five.

The comparison would hold water if Britney's first 6 years were metal. Whether or not they are prog, you cannot call them untalented. I suppose you've heard two of their songs, and those were probably both from Discovery. The song writing is fantastic and they are all very talented multi-instrumentalists.

I think 20% of the vote is a lot more than you'd probably get for Nightwish or many of the other bands on the site. Which is a good thing - it shows all aspects of the genre!

ELO`s keyboardist, Richard Tandy, is a very good musician. Even in the song "Last Train to London", which is almost a Disco Pop song, he played some classical music arrangements in his keyboards. For me, ELO is Progressive, anyway.

The "All Music Guide" considers ELO as, among other styles, a Prog Rock/Art Rock band.

http://www.allmusic.com/

You can search for many bands there. That website has some mistakes, but I agree with them in many things.

Supertramp had also many Pop Hits. It is also considered as a Prog band/Art Rock band.

I can`t believe that Radiohead is considered by Progarchives as a Prog band!  For me, it is more an "Alternative Rock band", as many people calls this style.

I could also consider Coldplay and The Verve as a Prog bands.

Radiohead=Progressive

E.L.O.=Not Progressive

 

Edited by Guillermo

Although I'm in the minority, I just voted YES.  I think even their later albums had prog elements, as did the Move's albums and Roy Wood's solo albums.  Wizzard's Brew is very experimental.  I just happened to get an obscure live ELO record in the mail from eBay yesterday.  The Night The Light Went On In Long Beach has some very proggy synth work from Richard Tandy.  ELO used to be a slightly guilty pleasure of mine but lately I'm enjoying their old stuff (up until Discovery) more and more.

Ummmmmmmmm. NO!