Does prog make you smart?

Looks profane to me?

Is it the nudey version of The Bible?

Okay...my fault. I gave this thread  a horrible name for what I really wanted to know about. My two questions at the beginning of the thread is what I was concerned about.

1. Is this a bunch of mularkey?

2. Could prog make one smarter as classical did?

This whole thread discussing the crappiness of rap REALLY wasn't my intention.

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It's easy for you to say that.

Ha. I love it when the stereotypical brainy and/or wealthy character in a bad movie or film (or forum discussion) is represented as a classical fan. It's like how the Romans are always shown with british accents in biblical films, or how villains are more likely to have moustaches.

Classical music is not a priori intellectual (although the phrase 'a priori' is. ). Much of it is just pop music with the allure of antiquity and an orchestral presentation making it seem more complex. You don't have to be all that brainy to read Dickens, either...

And much the same idea applies to prog. The complex and/or exotic additions to the rock form often effectively mask the fact that most prog is not really all that different from any other type of music. It may tend to appeal to a certain above-average-intellectual segment of western society, but that's more a matter of sub-cultural taste than intellectual distinction.

I'm always a little dismayed by folks who think that their tastes elevate them. Take a look around at the forum...we're not all rocket scientists here. No matter what the subject matter, we're more likely to reduce it to the usual crap than maintain an enlightened level.

Matt0001 wrote: Ok to get back to the original topic.

Good job dismissing my post. I'll remember this...you've crossed the wrong guy!

...just kidding, of course...one crazed violent stalker on this thread is enough.

Just read your post Matt0001, thanks for the apologize but it was not necessary, because we all sometimes loose temper in the heat of a discussion.

But again, I believe we are here to discuss different points of view.

Thanks for the CD offer, I'll send you my mail and in return I'll burn you a peruvian progressive album.

Iván

Certif1ed wrote: Wizard/TRueStar wrote: Progressive is to me a higher level of music (not in every case) than "classical".  It has more limits.  Prog done right (remember this is Whiz talking so every thing is prog)  knows no limits. Not true - so-called "classical" has pushed every boundary there is to push. Prog is still dragging its heels in some areas - I have yet to hear a piece of prog use a note row (as in 12-note music) or some of the more esoteric aleatory methods of composition. There is no prog I know of that combines virtuosity with melody in the way Rakhmaninov could, and Debussy remains untouched in his ability to produce impressionistic music bordering on atonal yet somehow rich in harmony. Nothing in prog comes close to some of the more adventurous composers of the twentieth century; "classical" knows no limits, prog rock is limited by the "rock" boundary. Zappa probably knew this. I've never heard of tests that prove whether prog makes you smarter or not - the only test results I've seen that have come to any conclusion were for the music of Bach and Mozart, both of whom achieved absolute purity in their music - so I would guess that would rule prog as a genre right out - except for those bands with a degree of purity. From that we could surmise that those who listen to Pink Floyd, Marillion and Camel are pretty bright...

I find the use of "esoteric" and "aleatory" in the same sentence wonderfully ironic given the thread's title.

At last I will answer this question.

I don't believe Prog' makes you smarter, what i do believe is that people who listen progressive rock are people with a higher level of culture or education.

In my country the prog' listener is a person that comes froma private schooll media A class (rich kids usually don't listen prog' bu7t the prog fan had to be wealthy enough to buy albums from other coutries because in Per´pu doesn't exist), with a University degree (At least intelligent enough to go to a university and get a degree usually in science), most of them with a classical music formation when kids and at least one parent that listens this kind of music.

So, I believe Prog fans are at least as intelligent as any person who studies a career but with a higher cultural background.

About the scientific tests: A few years ago I was witnes of a test done by a Peruvian researcher who is also a proghead for his thesis; he prepared three rooms with mice and plants.

On the first one he played Classical music, in the second one Progressive Rock and in the third one only mainstream radio.

In the classical room, the plants grew faster and the mice increased their speed in the tests, despite the fact that the volume was very high.

In the Progressive Rock room, neither the mice or plants showed any change.

In the mainstream room, the mice became aggressive and most of the plants died.

So at least Progressive Rock is not harmful, except for our salary.  

Iván

Oh well there you have it. And most people think prog sucks, so prog must be worthless too...

We all knew (some of us since 30 years ago) that for the people who listen mainstream Prog' sucks, or to be more exact, they don't even know it exists.

Something absolutely normal for a genre that has no radio diffusion, it's ignored by media, suffers boycott from the musical industry (Ask Wakeman if AM wants to release again his albums) but when a genre like Rap that has radio, DJ's, Musical Industry and MTV support, is considered crap, well it means something

I'm not saying this poll proves it's worthless, only shows that I'm not the only one that believes Rap is crap.

Iván

It might be a serious studie, but what did he tried to prove/investigate.

Why wasn't there a 4th and a fifth room (silence and random sounds). Did he made one room of each or was it done in duplo. How can one relate/translate this results to (consiously absorbing) humans, or was that not the intend?

irrelevant questions maybe, but I can't take this studie seriously. (is there a website where I can check his findings).

With all love and respect to you. and your brothers studie.