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We have Crossover for kinds of Pop Prog. It's never an exact science, the site has changed, teams/ personnel have changed, categories have changed over the years, parameters have changed with new additions and rejections, some are more convincing at making their cases than others, it can depend on which specific music is highlighted, what music is available at the time of evaluation. And if making comparisons, it's better to not only compare like-to-like but to compare to strong, related cases that were included in PA's Prog categories. A sort-of X is here and that is a poor addition, Y is not and has more merit than X therefore Y should be seriously considered is a very weak kind of argument to the point that it actually can hinder inclusion because the two wrongs don't make a right thinking kicks in.

I was on the fence, but Al Stewart was rejected for Prog Related. Historian (George) had known him better than I and firmly said no. Damo (Keishiro) and I considered his points and agreed. At this point I consider discussion of him in PR as academic.

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Originally posted by grantman grantman wrote:

al stewart is progressive rock or not
Man, you make it sound like you assume that "being prog" is some kind of on/off toggle switch. 🤣

IMO it's a stupid approach. "Progity" (progness?) of music is more of a spectrum. 😜😝
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by grantman grantman wrote:

al stewart is progressive rock or not
Man, you make it sound like you assume that "being prog" is some kind of on/off toggle switch. 🤣

IMO it's a stupid approach. "Progity" (progness?) of music is more of a spectrum. 😜😝

HI,

I have a slightly different idea ... music has been progressive for hundreds of years, even if the "changes" that made it so changed from a small bunch of players, to a full orchestra some 50/75 years later, which changed the idea of composition a heck of a lot. And in the middle of the 20th century we changed back to 3, 4 or 5 players or instruments ... though the technical side of the instruments and music has improved in ways that can not be measured.

Since the beginning of the 20th century, it has been pretty much about taking down all the rules, and the weird, and craziest thought of all is that "progressive" was determined to have rules that it has to follow, which, is totally bizarre and against all of history of music ... specially as all the "ideas" and "definitions" were ALL decided and made AFTER THE FACT ... not before or during.

It has become a toggle switch (love your idea) because too many folks are not good listeners, is all I can think of, and spend their time choosing which color makes better sense in the rainbow of our minds.

I keep thinking that in general terms the whole thing has become so regressive, it's not even funny, and this is why I do not exactly support any band or decision for being added here or not. I'm of the opinion that we have to respect the music a lot more, and I have this weird idea that too many of the folks "voting" don't like too many things, to be able to be objective all around ... I can't exactly verify that, but the thought is there, though some of the voting folks do not say a whole lot ... and maybe that is the problem, we need a couple more collaborators/admins that can vote and perhaps help the whole process, but the choices have been so strange, and are (likely) better centered on what they can get out of you to help the database, than it is what your vote is about. 

My old roomie, is one of the best code folks making an ungodly amount of goodness for it, and his take on the whole thing? Most code folks know almost nothing about music ... though they certainly do about Dr. Pepper and Pizza! And he's the one that said ... "that puts a new meaning in what music is!" ... after we caught the KC show with the 3 drunkards in Seattle ... sorry ... drummers!

I think PA has a good idea, but I hope they add a few more MUSICAL folks to the whole thing ... I kinda wish that things were not left up to folks to create polls of their favorites ... yeah, it's about the fans ... but does that mean the music is not important? Time out! Where is that person? (Certainly not wasting his/her time on PA!) .... (we need to change that!)


Edited by moshkito - March 28 2025 at 09:02
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Prog (noun, as a genre and commonly short for Progressive Rock) does not equal progressive (adjective). I agree that creating a Prog/ Non-Prog dichotomy commonly is problematic (not always), and expecting one here to choose one or the other (Prog or not-Prog) is problematic, and that Prog is a spectrum. I would post that music has been progressive for thousands of years, but that some kind of music has progressed more at certain times and places.

As for what they would do at PA, it's set-up so that it can act as "we" and please demonstrate by example, do it oneself, instead of wishing what others would do and/oor saying what one thinks others should do. Otherwise, maybe try to find a site with more like-minded people, although I think that would be a challenge.

Edited by Logan - March 28 2025 at 09:28
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