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I liked that one and Long Distance Voyager too.
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The Present by The Moody Blues is, for me, an enjoyable and naturally resonant album from the band’s later period featuring Patrick Moraz. I found the tracks to be melodious, emotionally impactful, and well-structured. There are no disco elements that could disrupt the delightful harmony of this album; it maintains a consistent quality and is filled with intelligent, expertly crafted art rock music. In my opinion, The Present, although in its own style, is on a level with the classic seven albums by The Moody Blues. The arrangements are notably rich and inviting in the typical style of the band. The combination of Justin Hayward's smooth vocals with Moraz's amazing synth contributions results in a highly successful presentation. The Present is outstanding and represents their final superb album, imo.
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For me, David Bowie's self-titled debut album is a lovely record. I always appreciated his debut for what it is—a humorous and uplifting example of whimsical English pop from the Swinging Sixties. Well, it is not often that you can state about a Bowie's album that it is a sunny and optimistic record. Also, I believe he succeeded in being both musically contemporary for that time and lyrically skilled. Really, I find enjoyment in David Bowie’s debut album, much like I did with early Pink Floyd or The Beatles from 1967 (notably, Bowie’s debut was released on the same day as The Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band) or The Zombies' Odessey and Oracle from 1968; 1967 "David Bowie" is to be another significant work from that era. In my view, this record by David Bowie is exceptional. I think his debut album even surpasses works such as Space Oddity, which came out two years later.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


David Bowie is one that I thought about mentioning too. I really like the debut, and actually like the second too quite a lot (I love, say, Cygnet Committee off it). Pinups and Young Americans get neglected by me. I do love The Man Who Sold the World and the B side of Let's Dance. And actually, like The Next Day and heathen quite a lot. Much as I love lost of Bowie's 70's work, I adore Hunky Dory for instance, here's a case where his last, Blackstar, became my favourite of his.

And I would rather listen to Genesis debut than anything after at least and Then There Were Three. And "The Serpent" off it is one of my favourite songs. Still, I way prefer the immediately subsequent albums to it. Trespass is a huge step-up for me.
I too think Bowie's second album is pretty good and I love most of The Man Who Sold the World. I like Let's Dance, Heathen and The Next Day too. The "comparison" to all of these (including the "classic" Station to Station and Diamond Dogs) were only in regards to how many times I've actually listened to them. There was a period of time shortly after I discovered the first Bowie album - and his earliest non-album tracks (as in The London Boys, In The Heat of the Morning, Let Me Sleep Beside You, Karma Man... all great) I listened to it almost daily. Something similar goes for that first Genesis album (but I still prefer every single Gabriel-era album over it). I know both albums were considered crappy non-starters. But I found these "the artist as a young man" releases - while still searching for their own voice(s) - enchanting - and adored both.
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Rush- Debut, Caress, and Vapor Trails (remix)
Black Sabbath- 13
Led Zeppelin- In Through The Out Door
Deep Purple- Deep Purple 1969
Yes- The Big Generator
David Bowie- Space Oddity
Porcupine Tree- On the Sunday of Life
Pink Floyd- A Momentary Lapse of Reason
Moody Blues- Octave ...The Other Side of Life
Alan Parson's Project- Vulture Culture
Frank Zappa- 200 Motels




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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Am I wrong for simply loving Amon Duuls HIJACK?  lol.
Not their most popular album...  Sometimes I just put 'De Guadaloop' on a loop all day! 

Hi,

Always loved that album, and how with it it is ... go ahead, shoot it for a run ... but the one piece that is fantastic, but also sad is the one that is kind of a joke (probably) about some militant feminism, which gets laughed at and dismissed. That's not right ... !!! Some far out strings in that piece, including that violin by Chris Karrer.

As I mentioned before, by this time the lyrics from the band were very pointed and they did not exactly have the psychedelic touches of their early days which I think it all died with "Apocaliptyc Bore" and "Mozambique", the incredible thing that somehow ... had Mozambique free from Portugal just a few months later!

Logan, the album you want to hear is NADA MOONSHINE # .... for its "divine slime". I won't say anything else!


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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by Gentle and Giant Gentle and Giant wrote:

Rush's debut. I've never understood the dislike for this album. I mean Working Man and Here again are immense tracks and as a whole I think it's a brilliant album. 2.96 on this very site is way too low.


100 percent agree with that.
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"Here Again" is great. I just heard it again the other day as I was thinking about doing a 1974 Rush debut longest track versus a 1974 King Crimson longest track with "Starless" due to latest offerings Rush vs. KC poll, but then thought better of it. As for "Working Man", I just started watching Fargo season 5 and have only seen the first two episodes. In the first episode, Yes' "I've Seen All Good People" was used, and in the second Rush's "Working Man" was played. I have really like the first three Rush albums and prefer those to the vast majority of Rush's albums. Caress of Steel is great, I think.

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I prefer having a good time listening to David Bowie's self titled 1967 debut (2:37 at PA, 2:30 at RYM) over his self titled follow-up David Bowie (Space Oddity), Pinups and Young Americans. I'll even admit I've listened to it way more often than The Man Who Sold the World, Diamond Dogs, Station to Station + every single album released in between Scary Monsters - Blackstar.

Some days Dead Can Dance 1984 debut which with it's 3:32 has their lowest ratings at PA (3:60 at RYM), is my favorite album of theirs. It sits at 9/10-10/10 for me.

I enjoy From Genesis to Revelation more than anything the band released post W&W*. It's not that I hate ATTWT or 1980's Genesis, I just really like their charmingly youthful debut. *I think I know it better than both that one and Trick...

-And hey, I love Can's Saw Delight (but it doesn't mean I actually prefer it to their seven first studio albums. It's up there with Landed, I guess)

To my ears (and soul), throughout his two decades and 14 studio album long career, Robbie Basho never released anything less than wonderfully great. His last, the cassette only release Twilight Peaks, (and not available on streaming services) from 1984 is no exception. Sold or packaged as an "The art of relaxation" tape.


David Bowie is one that I thought about mentioning too. I really like the debut, and actually like the second too quite a lot (I love, say, Cygnet Committee off it). Pinups and Young Americans get neglected by me. I do love The Man Who Sold the World and the B side of Let's Dance. And actually, like The Next Day and heathen quite a lot. Much as I love lost of Bowie's 70's work, I adore Hunky Dory for instance, here's a case where his last, Blackstar, became my favourite of his.

And I would rather listen to Genesis debut than anything after at least and Then There Were Three. And "The Serpent" off it is one of my favourite songs. Still, I way prefer the immediately subsequent albums to it. Trespass is a huge step-up for me.

EDIT: I forgot to comment on Robbie Basho. Love music by him. I like The Seal of the Blue Lotus a lot, you brought that up in one of my topics before. The album of his I have listened to the most is Visions of the Country (A "popular" choice).

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm not sure what counts as 'lowly regarded'? For instance Glass Hammer - Arise is rated at 3.82 and Eloy - Inside is 3.78. Neither are bad ratings. Eloy's debut however is 2.92 but that seems fair to me. I could throw in VDGG - Do Not Disturb. That has a rating of 3.57 which could be a bit higher for me (at least a 4).
I like the Yes debut album and at 3.30 seems a tad low. Vangelis last album Juno To Jupiter is rated at 3.18 which seems a bit low, I would put it higher at 4. His early albums are rated low but then they are quite experimental so I don't think they are underrated.


I think it's quite relative and subjective, and I hope for flexibility in such topics. In and of itself, normally I would consider a 3.78 out of five to be a very good rating (Inside is my favourite Eloy album, by the way, and I would give it four) but if the following ones are all nearly five, and maybe much less interest, then it is clearly not so generally well-regarded. I would call that more lower regarded than lowly probably. I tend to think of less than three as being poor and about 3.0 to say 3.3 as mediocre. I also would take not just numbers but opinions I have heard and reviews I have read into account. The idea anyway is early or late albums you like/love where you get the sense that it is not generally held in much esteem compared to the subsequent or previous works. You hold it in significantly more esteem than others seem to generally.

My example was Sufjan Stevens first two albums compared to later ones. From RYM:

- A Sun Came (2000) average rating is 2.86 with 3,215 ratings and 52 reviews
- Enjoy Your Rabbit (2001) 2.90 average rating with 3,582 ratings and 48 reviews

As compared to the three subsequent ones:

- Michigan (2003) 3.84 average rating, 15,538 ratings and 127 reviews
- Seven Swans (2004) 3.75 average rating, 12,969 ratings and 126 reviews
- Illinois (2005) 4.14 average rating, 40,774 ratings and 477 reviews.

That is a significant increase in rating as well as number of ratings. Actually, the reviews tend to be more positive than the ratings-only. I only like to review that which I like. And many only like to leave reviews for that which is very positive experience or a very negative experience (like with restaurant reviews). I get people not liking those first two as much and would not complain about the rating, but I like those albums more. That said, much as I like the first two albums, I would rate Michigan, Seven Swans and Illinois higher as well.

What is overrated or underrated is, commonly (as I can think of examples where things are held in too high or too low esteem due to factually incorrect assessments) very subjective. And the term is not even used in quite the same way by everyone, and I often think it's not used descriptively enough, but that's another topic.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Early Yes with Peter Banks. 
The Rod Evans era of Deep Purple
Genesis' debut album
Dream Theater's debut album
The early albums/EP of Savatage
Early Eloy (I love their debut album especially)

I agree with all of those listings, although I'm not so sure about Savatage. I prefer Sabotage in all honesty. Tongue 



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I prefer having a good time listening to David Bowie's self titled 1967 debut (2:37 at PA, 2:30 at RYM) over his self titled follow-up David Bowie (Space Oddity), Pinups and Young Americans. I'll even admit I've listened to it way more often than The Man Who Sold the World, Diamond Dogs, Station to Station + every single album released in between Scary Monsters - Blackstar.

Some days Dead Can Dance 1984 debut which with it's 3:32 has their lowest ratings at PA (3:60 at RYM), is my favorite album of theirs. It sits at 9/10-10/10 for me.

I enjoy From Genesis to Revelation more than anything the band released post W&W*. It's not that I hate ATTWT or 1980's Genesis, I just really like their charmingly youthful debut. *I think I know it better than both that one and Trick...

-And hey, I love Can's Saw Delight (but it doesn't mean I actually prefer it to their seven first studio albums. It's up there with Landed, I guess)

To my ears (and soul), throughout his two decades and 14 studio album long career, Robbie Basho never released anything less than wonderfully great. His last, the cassette only release Twilight Peaks, (and not available on streaming services) from 1984 is no exception. Sold or packaged as an "The art of relaxation" tape.
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I'm not sure what counts as 'lowly regarded'? For instance Glass Hammer - Arise is rated at 3.82 and Eloy - Inside is 3.78. Neither are bad ratings. Eloy's debut however is 2.92 but that seems fair to me. I could throw in VDGG - Do Not Disturb. That has a rating of 3.57 which could be a bit higher for me (at least a 4).
I like the Yes debut album and at 3.30 seems a tad low. Vangelis last album Juno To Jupiter is rated at 3.18 which seems a bit low, I would put it higher at 4. His early albums are rated low but then they are quite experimental so I don't think they are underrated. 



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VDGG - A Grounding in Numbers
 
And also VdGG - The Aerosol Grey Machine
 

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The pre-Gillan/Glover Purple is somewhat neglected, I have that impression, at least. Not enough prog for proggers, not enough hard for rockers. Those first three albums seem to be always looking for but hardly finding an audience. I'm returning to them from time to time, and they never disappoint me.
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The first and last albums by Genesis - both better than they're often given credit for (and both rated a lowly 2.5 on PA), although I may be in a minority of one again with that opinion. Tongue
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Originally posted by Gentle and Giant Gentle and Giant wrote:

Rush's debut. I've never understood the dislike for this album. I mean Working Man and Here again are immense tracks and as a whole I think it's a brilliant album. 2.96 on this very site is way too low.


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Early Yes with Peter Banks. 
The Rod Evans era of Deep Purple
Genesis' debut album
Dream Theater's debut album
The early albums/EP of Savatage
Early Eloy (I love their debut album especially)





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Rush's debut. I've never understood the dislike for this album. I mean Working Man and Here again are immense tracks and as a whole I think it's a brilliant album. 2.96 on this very site is way too low.
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For some reason these click with me, but don't do well compared to their other albums (per PA/RYM ratings):

King Crimson - The ConstruKction of Light (this is actually my favorite KC album)
Jethro Tull - A
Pink Floyd - Ummagumma (just the studio disc and not the live one)
Genesis - Abacab
VDGG - A Grounding in Numbers

I've been meaning to divide by zero all day today.


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^ Interview is the last GG I really liked, but I do like music off that album. I especially enjoy the first few albums by GG. I love Acquiring the Taste. Yummy.

^^ I love Led Zeppelin's In Through the Out Door and much prefer it to the subsequent Coda, and I prefer to the preceding Presence. It has "Carouselambra" which I adore, and I do love "All of My Love" off it. I love John Paul Jones in those. As for Saga, the self-titled debut is easily my favourite by the band, and I actually thought it was very well-regarded in its discography (at least by Prog fans, maybe not compared to many other bands). I love APP's first two album especially but have not heard the post Eye in the Sky albums.

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Sometimes sufjan seems to repeat only because he's stuck in a spot and cant get out. (if that makes any sense)

I love repetition if its done well.  This is on the extreme end of the subject but one of my favorites.





Gotta admit, now that Sufjan Stevens music sounds too repetitive to me. I kind of feel like he's doing some Nirvana meets Radiohead thing in that first song. It's hardly a favourite track of mine by him. And I do get what you're saying.

All is well!  I actually do like!  Not sure why that even crossed my mind when listening. 
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^ Interview is the last GG I really liked, but I do like music off that album. I especially enjoy the first few albums by GG. I love Acquiring the Taste. Yummy.

^^ I love Led Zeppelin's In Through the Out Door and much prefer it to the subsequent Coda, and I prefer to the preceding Presence. It has "Carouselambra" which I adore, and I do love "All of My Love" off it. I love John Paul Jones in those. As for Saga, the self-titled debut is easily my favourite by the band, and I actually thought it was very well-regarded in its discography (at least by Prog fans, maybe not compared to many other bands). I love APP's first two album especially but have not heard the post Eye in the Sky albums.

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:


Sometimes sufjan seems to repeat only because he's stuck in a spot and cant get out. (if that makes any sense)

I love repetition if its done well.  This is on the extreme end of the subject but one of my favorites.





Gotta admit, now that Sufjan Stevens music sounds too repetitive to me. I kind of feel like he's doing some Nirvana meets Radiohead thing in that first song. It's hardly a favourite track of mine by him. And I do get what you're saying.

Edited by Logan - March 14 2025 at 14:17
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