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    Posted: Yesterday at 11:37
Let's contemplate breakthroughs for the progressive rock genre; rather than just the mainstream success an album got for a single band in terms of sales, consider diving into the rich tapestry of musical innovation and contribution to counterculture in the late 60s and early 70s.

My list would be, in chronological order:

Family Music in a Doll's House (released July 19, 1968)

The Moody Blues In Search of the Lost Chord (July 26, 1968)

Procol Harum Shine on Brightly (September 1968)

The Nice Ars Longa Vita Brevis (November 1968)

Caravan Caravan (January 1969)

The Soft Machine Volume Two (September 1969)

King Crimson In the Court of the Crimson King (October 1969)

Renaissance Renaissance (November 1969)

Van der Graaf Generator The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other (February 1970)

Genesis Trespass (October 1970)


Please post your lists of a maximum of 10 albums ['cause I don't want this topic to include posting lists with an infinite number of titles. Thank you!] and discuss.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 12:20
Good call on Procol Harum and Renaissance... I might add Fairport Conventions Debut album,  and 
Steeleye spans "Parcel of Rogues" which had their hit 'Come ye all frae France.' (1973)


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Not from the dinosaur prog days but in 1982, Allan Holdsworth releasing i.o.u. was a game changer.
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The ones that started their own subgenre. This post is being geocopied by a green hose.
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Czesław Niemen - Aerolit (1975) - the first Polish album to feature the Mellotron, which also happens to be prog.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 18 minutes ago at 18:00
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

The ones that started their own subgenre. This post is being geocopied by a green hose.

If you can get enough prog fans to glom onto something, it will eventually earn a coveted prog sub-genre...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 hours 40 minutes ago at 18:38
Let's not ignore/discount the impact the Jazz-Rock Fusion movement and other periphery bands and genres had on progressive rock artists!

The Yardbirds (1964-67)
Don Ellis Orchestra 'Live" at Monterey ! (1966)
Cream (1966-69)
Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention (1966-1970)
The Doors The Doors (1967)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience (1967 & 68)
Jefferson Airplane 1967: Surrealistic Pillow and After Bathing at Baxter's
The Pentangle The Pentangle and Sweet Child (1968), Basket of Light (1969), Cruel Sister (1970)
Larry Coryell (1966-70) The Free Spirits, Lady Coryell, Coryell, Spaces
Miles Davis (1963-70, all of the "Second Great Quintet" studio albums, Miles in the Sky, Filles de Kilamanjaro, In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew
Colosseum Those Who Are About to Die Salute You and Valentyne Suite (1969)
Led Zeppelin I & II (1969)
Chicago Chicago Transit Authority (1969)
Tony Williams Lifetime Emergency! (1969)
Nucleus Elastic Rock (1969) and We'll Talk About It Later (1970)
Miroslav Vitous Infinite Search and Purple (1970)



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Not in any particular order:

The Nice: Ars Longa Vita Brevis
Family: Music in a Doll's House
Touch: self-titled
King Crimson: In the Court of the Crimson King
Caravan: If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You
Emerson, Lake & Palmer: self-titled
Egg: self-titled
Soft Machine: Third
Van der Graaf Generator: H To He, Who Am The Only One
Genesis: Nursery Cryme
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I'm not sure about the dates in the OP as both the Procol Harum album and The Nice album were released in the same week and are generally cited tied 'first' as the earliest examples of albums having side long epics. 

My list:
Beatles - Revolver
The Nice - The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack
The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
Led Zep - I
King Crimson - In The Court
Jethro Tull - TAAB
Can - Tago Mago
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
Rush - 2112
Henry Cow - Western Civilisation
(if we are going above and beyond ''prog'' I would then be adding The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks, Gary Numan's 1979 albums and Talk Talk - The Colour Of Spring  and Nirvana's - Nevermind to the list)


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm not sure about the dates in the OP as both the Procol Harum album and The Nice album were released in the same week and are generally cited tied 'first' as the earliest examples of albums having side long epics.
Procol Harum's Shine On Brightly was first released in the US in September 1968; it was released in the UK only in December 1968. Although it didn't chart in their native nation, the record was a commercial success in the US and outperformed their debut album. The album peaked at number 26 in Canada.
The Nice's Ars Longa Vita Brevis came out in November 1968, according to Wikipedia.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Not from the dinosaur prog days but in 1982, Allan Holdsworth releasing i.o.u. was a game changer.
For the jazz-rock genre, in my opinion, the game-changer could have been only Larry Coryell's Barefoot Boy, released in 1971, not an album released in the early 80s.
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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Let's contemplate breakthroughs for the progressive rock genre; rather than just the mainstream success an album got for a single band in terms of sales, consider diving into the rich tapestry of musical innovation and contribution to counterculture in the late 60s and early 70s.


Svettie, I'm not sure you know how to use the word "breakthrough" in the usual sense of the word in music.

While your list makes sense (except for the one below), most of these albums are/were not massive commercial breakthrough (that's what was meant in the other thread). Whether Tresspass, NC, SEBTP or Lamb, Genesis' real breakthrough is really either ATTWT or Duke.

What ou may mean with your current list is probably groundbreaking, and if the case, I will agree with your current list.


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The Nice Ars Longa Vita Brevis (November 1968)





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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Let's contemplate breakthroughs for the progressive rock genre; rather than just the mainstream success an album got for a single band in terms of sales, consider diving into the rich tapestry of musical innovation and contribution to counterculture in the late 60s and early 70s.


Svettie, I'm not sure you know how to use the word "breakthrough" in the usual sense of the word in music.

While your list makes sense (except for the one below), most of these albums are/were not massive commercial breakthrough (that's what was meant in the other thread). Whether Tresspass, NC, SEBTP or Lamb, Genesis' real breakthrough is really either ATTWT or Duke.

What ou may mean with your current list is probably groundbreaking, and if the case, I will agree with your current list.


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The Nice Ars Longa Vita Brevis (November 1968)



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You seem to forget The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack
Svettie? I thought we were talking about music, not Svetonio's fan club, to which you obviously belong since he is apparating for you everywhere! Well, as far as I know, in a musical context, a breakthrough refers to a significant advancement or development that changes the course of an artist's career as well as a new genre's evolution. Personally, I see 'breakthrough' as ​​something that resonates widely at a specific time. Prog was something new in 1968. Although it failed to chart, the aforementioned Ars Longa Vita Brevis received very positive reviews, and people were talking about the album. Symphonic prog made a breakthrough with that album. Melody Maker wrote, "A vast improvement on their first album, which shows them moving in a direction far removed from any other group, British or American." Additionally, the cover won that year's NME award for Best Pop Album Sleeve.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Tangerine Dream - Phaedra


I'd take it back to Zeit, or maybe even the debut, Electronic Meditation. Tangerine Dream kicked open so many doors, it makes one dizzy.
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Good call on Procol Harum and Renaissance... I might add Fairport Conventions Debut album,  and 
Steeleye spans "Parcel of Rogues" which had their hit 'Come ye all frae France.' (1973)


If Fairport Convention's 1968 debut gets on the list, we mustn't exclude Jethro Tull's This Was. Same year.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 10 minutes ago at 11:08
Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Not from the dinosaur prog days but in 1982, Allan Holdsworth releasing i.o.u. was a game changer.
For the jazz-rock genre, in my opinion, the game-changer could have been only Larry Coryell's Barefoot Boy, released in 1971, not an album released in the early 80s.

Great choice: great album! But Spaces came out in late 1970 even though the material was recorded in March of 1969! A trio core of Larry, Billy Cobham, and Miroslav Vitous with a song each collaborated with Joe Zawinul and John McLaughlin!!! Talk about breakthrough stuff! 



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King Crimson - ItCotCK
Renaissance - the debut
ELP - the debut
Genesis - Trespass
VdGG - H to He
Magma - the debut
Soft Machine - Third
Yes - The Album
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
Jethro Tull - TaaB

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That's what I was trying to do Mr. S. 
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I guess I'm going to have to disagree about Trespass being their big prog breakthrough.I'd say Foxtrot at the earliest especially if we are talking the US.
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