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yam yam 
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 Posted: March 08 2025 at 15:53 |
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OK, I need some advice on how best to present the information before I attempt the next one in the list: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36702.
Info is available at Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/release/2041857-Michael-Mantler-Carla-Bley-13-34, https://www.discogs.com/master/201352-Michael-Mantler-Carla-Bley-13-34, and also at RYM, but it looks like there are approximately 60 musicians involved in the two orchestras.  I can sort all this out into the usual PA format (using the RYM info, since I spotted an error in the Discogs pages, where Paul Moen's and Nicholas Pike's names have been swapped over in the credits) but it would result in a huge, long list in the Line-up / Musicians section, and I'm not sure if that field would accept it without throwing up an error and deleting the page ID (as has happened before when large amounts of text have been entered in the Releases information section). It looks as though the final credits listing would run to somewhere around 1000 characters, and that has certainly been too many for the Releases information section to cope with in the past. Would it be acceptable to just enter the credits like this instead: Side A: - Orchestra One / 3 flutes, 3 soprano saxophones, 3 alto saxophones (etc, etc) - Orchestra Two / 4 flutes, 3 oboes, 3 clarinets (etc, etc) - Connecting Piano Side B: - Orchestra / 1 alto flute, 1 oboe, 1 clarinet (etc, etc) - Solo Piano as shown in this image on the Discogs page? A note could be added that the two orchestras on side A included around 60 musicians, and it would be far too many to list (a hyperlink to the Discogs page could then be included saying: See HERE for details. Also, this album is actually a split with Carla Bley, since each artist is represented by one whole side of the album, so that will need indicating somehow on the Michael Mantler page, and does the album also need to have a separate, duplicated entry on the Carla Bley page?  Sorry for so many questions lol!  - E&O Team: Thanks, David, done. In a shorter way. I think even if there are no more limits for Line-up info listing about 60 musicians would be too much, because nobody will read it.  According to PA rules (or tradition) duplications are a deadly sin. I'll add cross-references on both artists' pages instead. Additionally this album, strictly speaking, is not a split, because both musicians play both pieces.
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Posted: March 08 2025 at 15:58 |
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David, I thought the photo would look too small in "horizontal layout". Now I've changed it as you initially suggested. Surprisingly it looks pretty good even to my eyes.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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yam yam
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Posted: March 08 2025 at 17:14 |
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^ Yes, the image aligns perfectly with the biography now.
I think M@X has actually made a big mistake with this 'new format', and how it affects images on the site. David (Atavachron) brought this up in a thread I started back in mid-February when I was getting intermittent errors loading PA artist pages.The enlarged photos since M@X made his tweak to the way pages on the main site were presented does no favours whatsoever to some of the artists that were added back in the very early days, when dial-up Internet was still very much the norm, bandwidth was at a premium, and the images that were available on many websites at that time were VGA quality at best. Many of these images that were used on those early-added artist pages are really small, and although they appeared reasonable the way they were presented before M@X made his tweak, now that they are being considerably enlarged, some of them look quite poor to say the least. The other problem, as we have just seen, is where two 'portrait style' photos are stacked one above the other to create a single image that's even more portrait style (as sometimes happens when the photo of a young version of a long standing artist is combined with a more up to date one on their page). When this image is 'blown up' by M@X's new format it can result in the image stretching a long way down the page, and if the biography is only very brief, a lot of white space being introduced on the right hand side of the page. This is one tweak that I think M@X should seriously consider rolling back. There was nothing wrong with the way images were displayed to begin with, so I don't really understand why he did this.  Edit: The other thing I forgot to mention is that we also get enlarged album photos since the tweak to the main site was done, and besides some of these images also looking poor when 'blown up' by the new format, we only get four on a row now instead of the five we used to get, and for artists with massive discographies this can create a very long page indeed.
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Posted: March 08 2025 at 19:12 |
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There are 94 albums added by Chris S. Most of them are pretty OK; I've seen worse. But we can take a look at them... Edited by projeKct - March 08 2025 at 19:23 |
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yam yam
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Posted: March 08 2025 at 19:48 |
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^ Had a very quick look at the first 15 of those. About half of them have already been updated by José or yourself, but all the ones that remain untouched have no total time and no brackets around the individual track times for starters. The releases information is probably incomplete in most of those too.
Thanks for running this check. Definitely worth taking a closer look at these when sufficient time is available, I think. Edit: Five of them further down the list we've already repaired, as they were in your other list of albums needing more urgent attention. I'll look at all of them quickly in a short while, and make a separate list of all the ones that have already been dealt with by a member of the E&O team, so that the main list can be reduced down to just Chris's unmodified album entries.
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yam yam
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Posted: March 08 2025 at 21:37 |
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Album https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=30821 is now done from Julien's original list of 52. Info was on Discogs all along, but I didn't manage to find it before.
See also: http://magaibutsu.com/mgb/history-2007/ (scroll down to July). - E&O Team: Thanks, David, crossed in Julien's list.
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yam yam
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Posted: Yesterday at 00:49 |
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This album by Bjork has around a 40-piece orchestra playing on it, resulting in a character count of just over 1600. The Releases information section would certainly not have coped with a character count as high as that.
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yam yam
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Posted: Yesterday at 01:42 |
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These albums of Chris have all been put right by other collaborators (with the vast majority being done by the E&O team):
That's 64 albums already fixed.  The only ones that still need a bit of tlc when time permits are these: I make that just 30 albums.  |
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Posted: 12 hours 10 minutes ago at 14:36 |
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Now fixed !
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yam yam
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Also done in Julien's list:
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=37172. Track list was missing in each case, just had "unknown" written there. Info taken from: In all cases, details of actual instruments played is not available.
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