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    Posted: Yesterday at 07:38
A few years ago, I wrote a three star review for an album. The artist who made the album contacted me and tried to persuade me to remove the review because it was three stars, and most all other reviewers gave it five stars. I did not remove the review and I noticed several hateful comments about my review on the artists Facebook page.

Have any other reviewers had this happen to them?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 07:42
It has not happened to me, but I have read complaints/ reports about this happening to others. At least one artist was very pushy when it came to such things (I don't recall the name at the moment).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 07:54
^I believe it is Guy Manning you're thinking of. I had an altercation with him but it was not about a review.
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^ Yes, that's right, thanks.
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Nope, but you should mention that in your next review of one of his albums. (twirling my long black mustache)
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Which album? We should all write negative reviews just to spite him LOL

I've been contacted a few times to change some wording that wasn't accurate but never about changing my stance or rating



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Hi,

Over all the years and above 600 film reviews and at least 100 music reviews, and 50+ DVD's ... this has never happened to me at all.

In general, I have made a lot of friends from those reviews, and I'm sure that they have heard a lot of things about them ... that was not nice. I, generally, will not review something that asks for a negative comment from me ... safer to steer clear, and that means, for example, that hundreds of film will not be reviewed by me, for one reason or another, and the same about music in general. This is the main reason I do not do top ten ... 

It concerns me the person's comments about your review, specially as you mentioned that the other reviews were tops. Normally, and happens often here, those with high marks are folks related to the band, and (in general) they should not be reviewing anything ... but in the age of the kissypoo and advertising, it seems that we all "believe" that cheating is fine, and this is one of the reasons I do not like the numbers on the lists for favorite of the month or year, even though it has been made clear the numbers don't usually relate to anything but just a count of items. The basic idea is that because they are listed on the top that they are better, and generally speaking that is not the case, or likely, though wwe still have to account for personal favoritism to get a better answer.

A lot of my reviews, specially in film, are a bit more technical, about cinematography, the music used and how, and details that tend to stay away from acting preferences, though sometimes it's very difficult to get away from that part in the excellent work all around ... c'mon ... you gonna say anything bad about Sir John Gielgud in "Prospero's Books"? Is it that you don't like Willie, or you can't stand the wording as used so beautifully to express various moments from the play itself. It's OK to dislike Willie, and I'm not one for enjoying his work a lot ... too much really poor stuff to satisfy the crowd, which was necessary in his time, rather than keep an audience bummed for 2 to 3 hours! And Willie is downright nasty and very foul mouthed very often! But all English Departments ignore that for the Iambic metering, for example, specially disliking theater department renditions of Willie's plays for not being on point!

It gets ridiculous, and I think that sometimes we have to ignore it ...  though I'm not sure I have ever had anyone say anything bad about the reviews, except some folks on PA ... whose talent is strictly to troll some folks, not that they don't have anything to say, but sometimes, it is rather obvious ... but it's their prerogative and I'm gonna let them live and die in their own ________ ! 

But a band not happy with a rating? If I was PA I would remove the band and the reviews ... let them get appreciation somewhere else, and hopefully it helps them better, with the kissers on their team!




Edited by moshkito - Yesterday at 08:40
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This is why I appreciate constructive criticism for my projects.  My brother's reading my debut novel and, while he's enjoying it, he made a couple great points that I need to work on for my next project.  Thankfully, those points as lowering a she goes along, which means it gets better as it goes along.
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I always personally thank any and all raters/reviewers who give us a 3 or better.   I don’t feel a need to contact raters who give a 2 or less. A 3 is ok with me.

Once in 2007 at another site we were crowned with the highest rating of 15 with a glowing review. A few weeks later the reviewer dropped it to an 11 out of the blue. I think once rated there should be no going backward or forward.   I complained about it and was basically told that the reviewer could change his mind and not to fret about it.   Have to admit that stung a little.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 11:59
Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

This is why I appreciate constructive criticism for my projects.  My brother's reading my debut novel and, while he's enjoying it, he made a couple great points that I need to work on for my next project.  Thankfully, those points as lowering a she goes along, which means it gets better as it goes along.

Hi,

There is a difference between the constructive criticism, specially from a person you seem to trust, and the (seemingly) member of the band not happy with the 3 rating. However, again, I find the person's comments on that review of 3 stars, as not being fair, or honest, in the least ... and c'mon ... how can you give this band any attention when they are openly trying to influence a reviewer? 

Defending your work is one thing, but upset with a rating? I'm not sure that the band is aware of that, and if they are, they should apologize right away ... not sure I can even consider listening to them in a situation like that ... it's just really sad, when they, or one of them, thinks they need all the good ratings to get more attention ... that's just insane ... good thing that Led Zeppelin, told reviewers to take a hike ... and everyone remembers the band ... and who the heck were those reviewers? Just some crazies who had their own preferences and could not appreciate something different!
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Whenever you post or publish anything to the public, music, writings, reviews or just personal opinions, you are subject to be criticised. Sometimes an artist may think to have released a masterpiece that's great i his mind only. If you accept being reviewed you must accept 1-stars reviews, too. If not, you can pick your stuff up and listen to it on your own HiFi at home without bothering others, that's what I'm used to do with my own stuff. 

Disclaimer: in my case it's because I know how rubbish my stuff is, not because I can't accept criticism.

So, as a reviewer you have the right to express your honest opinion. 

Trivia: in 1978, an Italian famous musical reviewer, Roberto Bertoncelli, was very hard against the last album released by the songwriter Francesco Guccini "Stanze di Vita Quotridiana". 
Guccini in his following album released a song against him and the musical reviewers in general which ended to be one of his biggest successes.
Bertoncelli did him a favour in the end.

   


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I had a band member contact me to correct me about the brand of guitar he was playing. It was, oddly enough, a 3-star review. He had nothing to say about the rating. I thanked him and corrected the review.

3-star review/rating is a "good" album. Anybody whining about that needs to grow a skin.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

A few years ago, I wrote a three star review for an album. The artist who made the album contacted me and tried to persuade me to remove the review because it was three stars, and most all other reviewers gave it five stars. I did not remove the review and I noticed several hateful comments about my review on the artists Facebook page.

Have any other reviewers had this happen to them?


Sure.   Ignore it, and if it happens again tell him to shove it.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rexorcist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 44 minutes ago at 14:34
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

A few years ago, I wrote a three star review for an album. The artist who made the album contacted me and tried to persuade me to remove the review because it was three stars, and most all other reviewers gave it five stars. I did not remove the review and I noticed several hateful comments about my review on the artists Facebook page.

Have any other reviewers had this happen to them?


Sure.   Ignore it, and if it happens again tell him to shove it.




This is what I'd say.

"OK, I';ll change it.  Might as well change all the others to five-stars too, just to be nice.  I mean, obviously, having an issue and threatening to demonize those who don't comply is the only way to get successful in this world.  I'm sure Beatles, Floyd, and even Bieber have done it.  If you need be to lie for you again, lemme know."
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^ And don't change it a word.   Call 'em like you see 'em, don't give an inch, stick to your guns, and wear their ignorant comments like a badge of honor.

   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 30 minutes ago at 14:48
I had this happen when I was a new reviewer at PA. The dude was very aggressive (a prick, tbh) and "corrected me" on a mistake I made before 'foaming at the mouth' about my 3 star rating, which I did inform him means "Good" at PA. Unfortunately, because so many people give 5 stars to everything they like and ignore the site's request that "Masterpiece" status be used very sparingly, some artists take this to mean that 3 stars is an inconceivable insult. 

I corrected the mistake he pointed out but held firm on my rating. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 26 minutes ago at 14:52
I've always respected Hugues when it comes to ratings. The dude is not afraid to rate albums conservatively and by the letter of the site definitions. He shells out plenty of 2 star ratings when appropriate. And when Hugues actually gives something 5 stars (or even 4), I know I need to pay special attention to that album. 
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Oh man. Yeah, never give in to them. If they can't accept a less than stellar review or rating then they are in the wrong business.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 hours 43 minutes ago at 15:35
^ Yep---   and forget how others might rate, it's about your honest take.   Once you start going by some other standard you've lost credibility.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 hours 37 minutes ago at 15:41
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Agree on the rating side, though, as a listener, I definitely have learned which reviewers tastes are more likely to match my own, which can be really useful in musical "resource allocation."
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