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Almost any classic rock band is best remembered for their classic run, in King Crimson's case, 1969-1974 (although Discipline is of comparable quality and could also be included here). Sure many of these bands including KC released good material later on in their careers, but albums like The Power to Believe, Clockwork Angels, and Mirror to the Sky aren't comparable to Court of the Crimson King, Moving Pictures, Close to the Edge, and other classic masterpieces. Those albums are all timeless classics, anything released later on will at best seen as a nostalgia-fueled comeback that'll just end up forgotten. There might be exceptions but timing is very important. Who knows what people would think of albums like THRAK and The Power to Believe if they had been released in the 70s or early 80s instead of the 1995 and 2003 respectively.

I don't think King Crimson ever released a bad studio album, and of their last three albums, I think THRAK is comparable some to their 70s output in quality (ITWOP, Lizard, and Islands). They managed to evolve their style while retaining their identity (unlike some bands) and I think King Crimson may be more popular now than they ever were in the 70s or 80s.
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Originally posted by BasedProgger BasedProgger wrote:

I don't think King Crimson ever released a bad studio album, and of their last three albums, I think THRAK is comparable some to their 70s output in quality (ITWOP, Lizard, and Islands). They managed to evolve their style while retaining their identity (unlike some bands) and I think King Crimson may be more popular now than they ever were in the 70s or 80s.

Streaming will do that.  This is a massive generation of nerds who will keep educating themselves in the more creative areas of music and be able to do it with ease thanks to YouTube, RYM, Spotify, etc.  And what with KC effectively pioneering the genre formerly demonstrated by Moody Blues and Deep Purple, it's no surprise.  These days, it might not even matter as much if they're an artsier band.  It's easy to say you want more good music recommendations.  All you have to do is get interested in the idea of an album, go to a place like Rolling Stone magazine and then YouTube.  Remember when it was impossible to find KC on streaming?  While I'm definitely happy about the accessibility, a part of me misses the challenge.
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^ To piggyback off what you are saying I think the rate your music website has helped their popularity since ITCOTCK is in the top ten album list on there. That must carry over on to spotify, youtube etc.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^ To piggyback off what you are saying I think the rate your music website has helped their popularity since ITCOTCK is in the top ten album list on there. That must carry over on to spotify, youtube etc.


RYM effectively became the place for the rock zine readers to voice their opinions and complain about other magazines.  And now we have modern bands people are comparing to KC, like Squid and Black Country New Road (or at least this was true for their debuts).  And then we have POWER by Kanye of all people.
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The Power To Believe is very very good tho
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Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

Streaming will do that.  This is a massive generation of nerds who will keep educating themselves in the more creative areas of music and be able to do it with ease thanks to YouTube, RYM, Spotify, etc.  And what with KC effectively pioneering the genre formerly demonstrated by Moody Blues and Deep Purple, it's no surprise.  These days, it might not even matter as much if they're an artsier band.  It's easy to say you want more good music recommendations.  All you have to do is get interested in the idea of an album, go to a place like Rolling Stone magazine and then YouTube.  Remember when it was impossible to find KC on streaming?  While I'm definitely happy about the accessibility, a part of me misses the challenge.


I never trusted Rolling Stone magazine with their bias against prog and other genres. I remember when King Crimson was impossible to find on streaming, and it may have been better that way if it encouraged people to go out and buy the albums on a physical format.
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Originally posted by BasedProgger BasedProgger wrote:

Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

Streaming will do that.  This is a massive generation of nerds who will keep educating themselves in the more creative areas of music and be able to do it with ease thanks to YouTube, RYM, Spotify, etc.  And what with KC effectively pioneering the genre formerly demonstrated by Moody Blues and Deep Purple, it's no surprise.  These days, it might not even matter as much if they're an artsier band.  It's easy to say you want more good music recommendations.  All you have to do is get interested in the idea of an album, go to a place like Rolling Stone magazine and then YouTube.  Remember when it was impossible to find KC on streaming?  While I'm definitely happy about the accessibility, a part of me misses the challenge.


I never trusted Rolling Stone magazine with their bias against prog and other genres. I remember when King Crimson was impossible to find on streaming, and it may have been better that way if it encouraged people to go out and buy the albums on a physical format.


Oh, yeah.  I forgot about their prog bias.  But to be honest, I guess one wouldn't know about that if they're new to it.  Plus, you also have NME, Pitchfork, all the big ones.
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Yes but it seems like most of these magazines are biased against anything unpopular. King Crimson is at best ignored outside prog rock. You may remember Rolling Stone ranked Court as the 2nd greatest prog album at once but left out that album in both the 500 greatest albums (all versions) and the 100 greatest debuts.
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Originally posted by BasedProgger BasedProgger wrote:

Yes but it seems like most of these magazines are biased against anything unpopular. King Crimson is at best ignored outside prog rock. You may remember Rolling Stone ranked Court as the 2nd greatest prog album at once but left out that album in both the 500 greatest albums (all versions) and the 100 greatest debuts.

Then they'll end up in the next phase: the online communities.  If they don't get bands like KC from the magazines, they most certainly will from us.
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Originally posted by BasedProgger BasedProgger wrote:

You may remember Rolling Stone ranked Court as the 2nd greatest prog album at once but left out that album in both the 500 greatest albums (all versions) and the 100 greatest debuts.

And let's remember which album had the honor of being the first... exactly, TDSOTM. It was the most predictable thing. You couldn't expect anything else from that hateful magazine.


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Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

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Originally posted by BasedProgger BasedProgger wrote:

[B]You may remember Rolling Stone ranked Court as the 2nd greatest prog album[/B] at once but left out that album in both the 500 greatest albums (all versions) and the 100 greatest debuts.
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[/DIV][DIV]And let's remember which album had the honor of being the first... exactly, TDSOTM. It was the most predictable thing. You couldn't expect anything else from that hateful magazine.[/DIV]


Lists like these are notoriously predictable. Either you give the usual the honor of being first or readers complain about the usual not being first.
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