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Dream Theater - Parasomnia: released! |
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Pekka ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 03 2006 Location: Espoo, Finland Status: Offline Points: 6457 |
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Don't usually see a lot of love for DoT, I too think it's the finest Mangini album. I listened to Parasomnia about 15 times almost with nothing in between and now I need a break. It feels pretty excellent, but hard to say where it settles.
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Deadwing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 456 |
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It feels a mix of their last two album with Portnoy on drums, I liked it so far - loved the previous albums too. It still not as good as Distance Over time, but their best since Octavarium I guess (excluding DoT ofc)
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21568 |
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I'm not talking about digital formats like mp3, but about reducing (compressing) the dynamic range of a signal. Compressors are available as both analog and digital equipment. Car stereos typically use this to adjust the signal in relation to the noise (speed) in the car - they don't just increase the volume.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12382 |
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^How do you compress on demand?
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21568 |
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I do not mind "loud" productions. Sometimes it bothers me a little bit, like when I have listened to a more dynamic mix and then I'm putting on Blackwater Park, I do hear the difference of course. As far as DT goes, I don't often listen to SYL releases these days. Maybe I'll put on City tonight, we'll see! I think that from a pure technical standpoint mixes should be as dynamic as possible, and the equipment you play them on should be able to compress them on demand, if necessary, which is relatively simple to do, but impossible the other way round.
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theactivistuk ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2024 Location: Essex, England Status: Offline Points: 12 |
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Personally I think the album sounds great,it's an album where the various players are mixed as a whole, the music sounds all together and the vocals are to the fore. It all sounds tight ❤️
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Mellotron Storm ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 14038 |
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^ Mike I see your a Devin Townsend fan. What did you think back in the day with his early stuff? I mean how obnoxiously loud it was. First thing I noticed when listening to his music for the first time was the loud production. Now after playing it many times the issues I had with the production seemed to fade, I got used to it. But that's a subjective production right there. Some loved it, some didn't.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21568 |
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^At AP users can submit an overall rating and also individual ratings for production, musicianship, songwriting, composition, lyrics and cover art.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17964 |
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![]() It's a good point though....But I respect that reviewers on PA are not intune (see what I did there ![]() There are sites that take the whole context of an album from this to also put value on the production qualities or lack of, in the whole rating. Below is an example, ignore the recording, unless you like Frank!! But these type of reviews include everything that many music lovers and lovers of hi end sound prefer. There is a whole write up as well link included if you desire to read it. ![]() |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12382 |
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^Too many PA reviewers give everything 5 stars. Many refuse to rate anything lower than 3 stars.
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Mellotron Storm ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 14038 |
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Someone needs to tell these reviewers giving DT's latest 5 stars that the production is terrible, they seem to be missing that. Maybe bad ears, or bad stereo, or maybe a bad format they're listening to it on. Because it's objective right?
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21568 |
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^ One can talk about production on different technical levels. It can range from "I can't hear the bass at all" to "they used a specific piece of gear in the wrong way". Just as in the restaurant analogy, it can range from "it tasted too salty" to "they should have set the sous-vide temperature two degrees higher".
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5675 |
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And that is why typically reviewers omit the production aspect. If you choose to go in that much technical detail, you can't avoid dissecting the reviewed subject from the audio engineer's perspectiev and/or using potentially alienating technical vocabulary. Besides, the readers wouldn't know what the heck they're reading about anyways. Edited by Hrychu - February 14 2025 at 06:32 |
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IncogNeato ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 10 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 472 |
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I agree. That's why I did not argue that.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21568 |
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^ I think that Atmos mixes do not work on normal "buds" - they certainly do not work on my highish-end Sony headphones.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12382 |
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^I've heard the Atmos mix on buds and thought it sounded worse. Neither is more dynamic or clearer. My surround set up does not do Atmos.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21568 |
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I don't have the technical equipment to listen to surround mixes anymore ... it's on my todo list. I mainly listen via (good) headphones nowadays.
But has anyone heard the Atmos mix of Parasomnia - is it more dynamic, can you hear all of the instruments more clearly?
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12382 |
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^I haven't heard all Wilson's remixes, but from those I have heard, I prefer the following stereo remixes than the original... Aqualung, Skylarking, Free Hand, and The Missing Piece. And the main reason to get these, for me, is the surround mix.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29372 |
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Production and Sound quality are not the same thing anyway. One is 'art' one is 'technical'. Music is always king. I was always incredulous about the whole Vapor Trails debate that went on for what seemed like an age. Still prefer the original mix. Am I also the only one that has not heard a single Steven Wilson remix that surpasses the original?. I find that equally perplexing!
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