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    Posted: 3 hours 44 minutes ago at 13:02
Don't usually see a lot of love for DoT, I too think it's the finest Mangini album. I listened to Parasomnia about 15 times almost with nothing in between and now I need a break. It feels pretty excellent, but hard to say where it settles.
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It feels a mix of their last two album with Portnoy on drums, I liked it so far - loved the previous albums too.
It still not as good as Distance Over time, but their best since Octavarium I guess (excluding DoT ofc)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 15:03
I'm not talking about digital formats like mp3, but about reducing (compressing) the dynamic range of a signal. Compressors are available as both analog and digital equipment. Car stereos typically use this to adjust the signal in relation to the noise (speed) in the car - they don't just increase the volume.



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^How do you compress on demand?
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

^ Mike I see your a Devin Townsend fan. What did you think back in the day with his early stuff? I mean how obnoxiously loud it was. First thing I noticed when listening to his music for the first time was the loud production. Now after playing it many times the issues I had with the production seemed to fade, I got used to it. But that's a subjective production right there. Some loved it, some didn't.

I do not mind "loud" productions. Sometimes it bothers me a little bit, like when I have listened to a more dynamic mix and then I'm putting on Blackwater Park, I do hear the difference of course. As far as DT goes, I don't often listen to SYL releases these days. Maybe I'll put on City tonight, we'll see!

I think that from a pure technical standpoint mixes should be as dynamic as possible, and the equipment you play them on should be able to compress them on demand, if necessary, which is relatively simple to do, but impossible the other way round. 
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Personally I think the album sounds great,it's an album where the various players are mixed as a whole, the music sounds all together and the vocals are to the fore. It all sounds tight ❤️
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mellotron Storm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2025 at 19:26
^ Mike I see your a Devin Townsend fan. What did you think back in the day with his early stuff? I mean how obnoxiously loud it was. First thing I noticed when listening to his music for the first time was the loud production. Now after playing it many times the issues I had with the production seemed to fade, I got used to it. But that's a subjective production right there. Some loved it, some didn't.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2025 at 14:53
^At AP users can submit an overall rating and also individual ratings for production, musicianship, songwriting, composition, lyrics and cover art. Cool
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2025 at 11:23
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Someone needs to tell these reviewers giving DT's latest 5 stars that the production is terrible, they seem to be missing that. Maybe bad ears, or bad stereo, or maybe a bad format they're listening to it on. Because it's objective right?
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It's a good point though....But I respect that reviewers on PA are not intune (see what I did there Wink) to a production component to their review. PA is not a forum that discerns quality of sound for the most part, I respect that it is almost all about the music and content, meaning the lyrical content more about the art of music.

There are sites that take the whole context of an album from this to also put value on the production qualities or lack of, in the whole rating. Below is an example, ignore the recording, unless you like Frank!! But these type of reviews include everything that many music lovers and lovers of hi end sound prefer. There is a whole write up as well link included if you desire to read it.

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^Too many PA reviewers give everything 5 stars. Many refuse to rate anything lower than 3 stars.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mellotron Storm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2025 at 07:48
Someone needs to tell these reviewers giving DT's latest 5 stars that the production is terrible, they seem to be missing that. Maybe bad ears, or bad stereo, or maybe a bad format they're listening to it on. Because it's objective right?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2025 at 06:50
^ One can talk about production on different technical levels. It can range from "I can't hear the bass at all" to "they used a specific piece of gear in the wrong way". Just as in the restaurant analogy, it can range from "it tasted too salty" to "they should have set the sous-vide temperature two degrees higher". 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

You don't need to be a master chef to know if the protein is raw, or if a dish is too salty.
It's a good analogy. But in this very specific case, determining if "a dish is salty/raw or not" requires non-standard research and/or knowledge. And that knowledge is absolutely optional, if you were to write a typical review, the kind that one would find in music websites and magazines.

And that is why typically reviewers omit the production aspect. If you choose to go in that much technical detail, you can't avoid dissecting the reviewed subject from the audio engineer's perspectiev and/or using potentially alienating technical vocabulary. Besides, the readers wouldn't know what the heck they're reading about anyways.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I stated music is 100% subjective, I don't think that can be argued. 


I agree. That's why I did not argue that.
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^ I think that Atmos mixes do not work on normal "buds" - they certainly do not work on my highish-end Sony headphones.

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^I've heard the Atmos mix on buds and thought it sounded worse. Neither is more dynamic or clearer. My surround set up does not do Atmos.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2025 at 01:41
I don't have the technical equipment to listen to surround mixes anymore ... it's on my todo list. I mainly listen via (good) headphones nowadays.

But has anyone heard the Atmos mix of Parasomnia - is it more dynamic, can you hear all of the instruments more clearly?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2025 at 01:26
^I haven't heard all Wilson's remixes, but from those I have heard, I prefer the following stereo remixes than the original... Aqualung, Skylarking, Free Hand, and The Missing Piece. And the main reason to get these, for me, is the surround mix.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2025 at 23:35
Production and Sound quality are not the same thing anyway. One is 'art' one is 'technical'. Music is always king. I was always incredulous about the whole Vapor Trails debate that went on for what seemed like an age. Still prefer the original mix. Am I also the only one that has not heard a single Steven Wilson remix that surpasses the original?. I find that equally perplexing!
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