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Mellotron Storm 
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 Posted: February 12 2025 at 23:17 |
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I mean even this album we're talking about here has fans and non-fans of the production. We all have different ears apparently.
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Mellotron Storm
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Production is subjective. it's been proven to me on here with reviews over and over. I'm always talking about production in my reviews and am constantly amazed at the different opinions on it. Loudness wars is a fact but whether you like it or not is completely subjective. Do you like vinyl or cds? Subjective! And all about which "sound" you like better for most. |
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richardh
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 22:38 |
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If you believe Andy Edwards then Peart is not a great drummer and he even took a pop at John Bonham as well for being over hyped. Portnoy is a good drummer and in fact nothing he does distracts from the music or is a problem. He's just a bit vanilla imo. I got very bored with Transatlantic and maybe Neal Morse's albums because of the very samey style of drumming and I was very pleased to hear a Neal Morse album without Portnoy last year for a change.
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Hrychu
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I personally got used to that mannerism after a while. Whenever I see a post of moshk's that starts with a "Hi," followed by a wall of text, I don't even bother reading it. Edited by Hrychu - February 12 2025 at 20:25 |
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Grumpyprogfan
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 17:33 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 17:18 |
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So is the whole topic of music.......Music is 100% subjective. Much less than production quality is. Where do you think all this Loudness Wars originates from??.....The ENGINEERS who mix/master music, that's not subjective.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 12:43 |
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No! Pedro did, on the previous page
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IncogNeato
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 11:26 |
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^^ That's why.
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Grumpyprogfan
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^Yes, production is subjective but so is reviewing an album. And once you're comfortable with certain reviewers that align with your tastes it would be helpful to know their thoughts on production if they align with yours. I have not purchased albums because a reviewer I trusted mentioned it being brickwalled.
There is nothing objective about any music review. The tempo, time signatures, the key, dynamics, instruments used, are some items that can be objective. Not much more. I never said Portnoy was a bad drummer. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - February 12 2025 at 11:21 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 11:03 |
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^ production quality is a highly subjective topic. At AP users can rate the production separately which can be useful as an indication of whether a rating or review is relevant to you.
In any case, Andy Sneap is a highly revered engineer. I don’t hear any obvious engineering blunders on the album that would justify saying that it is ”bad”. You may not like it, even hate it - but that has no bearing on what it is objectively. It’s equally non-sensical, hilarious, and megalomaniacal to say that Portnoy is a bad drummer. |
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IncogNeato
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 09:24 |
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I'm glad they don't.
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Grumpyprogfan
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^Yet I have to agree with him, ThyroidGlands, and Catcher10 about the production.
 I wish reviewers would include production quality in their reviews. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - February 12 2025 at 09:09 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 12 2025 at 08:49 |
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^^ Pedro, time and time again you win the award for the most arrogant person on the internet.
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IncogNeato
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IMO, Mike is a very skilled drummer and knows a lot of stuff. But he has settled into a place of basically just doing what he does with no attempt to maybe, possibly, sometimes, try and think of something just a little bit different than you've already done on 14 albums.
His las "amazing" drum album, IMO, was 'Awake'.
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Hi,
There is on the toob, a special i which Mike talks about DT and the new album, and by the time, they were through at the end of an hour, I came to the conclusion that I do not think that Mike is a good drummer ... he looks good because he has so much stuff around him that it makes it look like he is better than most, but he is still way too time conscious and mechanical to be considered a good drummer, and he does not really know how to get off the snare drum that is his metronome. Some of the fills and changes are nice, only to return to the same thing ... is really disappointing. Not a sign of a master drummer, but in this case just a sign of a famous goon with all the equipment that makes it look like he is better than everyone else ... and I'm not really sure that he made the new album look and sound, better ... I kinda think that the only thing he did is bring back the old sound and touch to the band, that helped them sell millions of albums ... DT is good, not great. I think we would want a lot more than just "the same old ... " all over again, with different lyrics. And the worst part ... the production of the whole thing is really poor and I'm not sure that they know how to downplay the guitar and add a keyboard or bass to the whole thing ... I kinda think that they are convinced that the guitar is what makes them great ... ! |
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 11 2025 at 09:51 |
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ToT for me was welcomed, as at that time more metal DT was very good DT. I needed that break from the traditional prog symphonic laid back material from like TFK, love TFK, but I do like metal as well. For sure, ToT is a blood pressure raising listen. I remember one car ride many years ago with my wife and This Dying Soul came on and her comment was "wow Mike is tearing up the drums"....then after the song was over she was like "I feel stressed and hyper..." We listened to Nora Jones the rest of the day......LOL
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richardh
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Posted: February 10 2025 at 21:57 |
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^ I swapped ToT for Tool -Lateralus back then and never regretted it. I've recently been streaming ToT just so I can understand the comparison. Thematically I think there is a definite connection with stress and mental illness/issues at the forefront. I find ToT a bit unrelenting and harsh on the whole (intended I guess) although, like Parasomnia, it finishes with the longest and best track on the album imo.
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Posted: February 10 2025 at 18:06 |
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I've spun it a few times (as u all know I am an LP guy), I've also listened on Qobuz. The normal for me with DT and Petrucci's production.....It's mediocre. He continues to chose mix engineer who does a mediocre job, Myung is NEVER heard in the mix, especially in areas of songs where he should be.
Rudess, for whatever reason on this record is also low in the mix, I'm not complaining too much as I have grown tired of his synth w**king all over previous records. Portnoy's drums are mixed a bit weird in places, I agree the cymbals don't sound good. Also too much volume on his octobans, and of course Petrucci's guitar is high in the mix, ala Eddie Van Halen. I wish they would use the same mix/mastering engineers that Riverside use (Serakos Studio), as their records always sound excellent. As far as the songs, they are growing on me more and more. But that is from a very low level. I actually like Deep Asleep, even though I don't like the topic, a husband killing his wife is beyond dark. Shadow Man Incident has grown on me as well......I've read some are comparing the album to ToT due to its dark tone, that's fine but ToT is a much better album by far. I would not call Parasomnia a master piece, very good yes. The production is really standing in the way of it being better than very good IMO. |
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richardh
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Posted: February 08 2025 at 01:41 |
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Only one listen. I am happy with it considering I had quite low expectations. It's remarkably solid, no problems with the mix for me. I started off not liking the drum sound but then after a while just forgot about it and enjoyed the music. Jordan seems like a guest on this, not quite why he is even regarded as a full time member. Didn't bother me that much though as I don't listen to this stuff for keyboards (there is plenty of other prog that does that and in spades). Mostly I reckon it's about a 8/10 album but no higher but that's fine. Mainly it just shows that DT are still alive and kicking.
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