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^ I think that one reason for the lower participation is that 2024 is generally perceived as a much "smaller" year than 2023. 

About the PA/non-PA distinction: Yes, it's on the release level. This can even retroactively "change" the poll results, so if that Holy Family album was to be added today at PA and linked to its AP entry, it would move to the PA section. 


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Thanks Mike, great work!
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There are 32 participating users in total, which is half of last year's turnout (56).
...is a bit worrying, as the reason must be that there are generally fewer people around (for sure the reason is not how this was runClap ).

Indeed, I thought opening up the Site polls to all members would greatly increase the number of participants (which it did the first year), but apparently it's a short-fueled fire.


Mike, I can't help but wonder how many others gave points to Fractal Sextet's Sky Full Of Hope?
Coz I didn't see it listed anywhere. 


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It's at position 63 in the PA list. 

Easiest to find at #9 when filtering for RIO/Avant:


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But I see this, here (clicking on "Details"):
Both rank 63.

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Sean Trane 20
Lewian 6
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Thierry Zaboitzeff
Le Passage 2024
Lewian 20
Sean Trane 6
Total 26

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^That's strange. I thought I had the Fractal Sextet on my list but I just checked and it's not there. I don't remember where exactly I had them.
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^ I think I remember that we had an issue with this release, there were duplicate entries. It's possible that I failed to preserve your list entry when I fixed that (by deleting the duplicates). I'll try to prevent these issues in the future by making sure that when I delete a duplicate, poll list entries, ratings, tags and reviews are automatically moved to the remaining entry.
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^ Fixed it! You had the release at #35, so it did not affect the outcome of the poll Smile
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

But I see this, here (clicking on "Details"):
Both rank 63.

Fractal Sextet
Sky Full Of Hope 2024
Sean Trane 20
Lewian 6
Total 26

Thierry Zaboitzeff
Le Passage 2024
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Sean Trane 6
Total 26

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Thanks for compiling the list as usual, and of course for the excellent poll infrastructure!
Shocked But last I checked, Monarch Of Monsters had garnered 43 points; how did it drop so suddenly?
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^Something happened with my list. I see that Monarch of Monsters only has yours and Lewian's votes for 27 points. And it was 4th on my list (counting PA only) for the 16 points to get it to 43. It's no longer on my list.
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Quote how did it drop so suddenly
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I managed to wrangle a few of those and heard a few more....maybe not as out of touch as I think I am? Ha!
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

^Something happened with my list. I see that Monarch of Monsters only has yours and Lewian's votes for 27 points. And it was 4th on my list (counting PA only) for the 16 points to get it to 43. It's no longer on my list.

It was on your list from 2025-01-30, but then you submitted updates where it was no longer listed. You can check your lists on a daily basis using this url:


Not sure what happened there - did you maybe use several different browsers? There is a button beneath the list to restore it from the server, it's easy to overlook. 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

^Something happened with my list. I see that Monarch of Monsters only has yours and Lewian's votes for 27 points. And it was 4th on my list (counting PA only) for the 16 points to get it to 43. It's no longer on my list.


It was on your list from 2025-01-30, but then you submitted updates where it was no longer listed. You can check your lists on a daily basis using this url:


Not sure what happened there - did you maybe use several different browsers? There is a button beneath the list to restore it from the server, it's easy to overlook. 


That is it. I submitted my list from my laptop and was trying to update to add a band on my phone and I think that was where I went wrong. That and I was doing it at 2 or 3 in the morning because I wasn't sleeping.
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^ Yesterday I changed the code so that when you have different browsers editing the poll list, once you save it in one of them the others will pick up the most recently saved version automatically, discarding the edits. In any case, those of you using several browsers should look at the submitted list to make sure that it's correct. I've also reduced the amount of information in the list so that it is easier to browse visually.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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There are 32 participating users in total, which is half of last year's turnout (56).
...is a bit worrying, as the reason must be that there are generally fewer people around (for sure the reason is not how this was runClap ).

It's no secret whatsoever that the ProgArchives user base has severely declined in the past 5-6 years. The highest rated albums every year have fewer and fewer votes by the end of each year, with a lot more random stuff that's only up there because it fits a niche in the remaining user base (no offense to any of the bands I'm thinking of). There's only three albums released in the 2020s so far that have more than 300 ratings (Dwellers of the Deep, Love Over Fear, and Closure/Continuation). 

It's really quite a problem that there should definitely be more conversation about solving.
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^ I think that "Prog" is on the decline in general, in terms of number of listeners. As many have pointed out, there is a trend towards "simpler" music. Websites like PA (and AP, to a lesser degree but still) which focus on Prog are becoming more and more "special interest". I think this cannot be helped, and who knows? The trend might reverse when/if new generations of listeners become bored with the trendy generic music they've grown up with and are looking for interesting stuff.
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Add to this the outdated software, technical issues, and lack of care by the owner of PA.
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^ Yes, but here the nature of Prog and its fanbase actually provides some sort of synergy - Prog, as in the original prog rock albums of the 1970s - are outdated as well, even more so than the website. Smile
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I think that "Prog" is on the decline in general, in terms of number of listeners. As many have pointed out, there is a trend towards "simpler" music. Websites like PA (and AP, to a lesser degree but still) which focus on Prog are becoming more and more "special interest". I think this cannot be helped, and who knows? The trend might reverse when/if new generations of listeners become bored with the trendy generic music they've grown up with and are looking for interesting stuff.


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Possible, and likely. However, I wonder how much of it is that folks are spread out through much more content which will get spread out even further, thus, making it look like there are fewer folks in it. The general thing in the internet has been, for 20+ years more people ... spread out ... not less people in many sites, though I imagine that after a while you might get bored with this or that ... but I also think that what folks do with the work itself is an issue ... and in some ways, it would be fair to say that most of these sites have become about the numbers, and less about the music itself ... it's really weird to see music ranked/rated, and no articles and folks discussing it ... I think that says it all ... so eventually not seeing folks caring about other works other than the top this or that ... is a good sign that the interest waves and winds have changed ... to something else ... 

It's frustrating though ... yet another thread on Love Beach! Maybe we should have the admins remove it, so our eyes don't get tired of seeing it! And go somewhere else ... the harder issue to deal with, is seeing many folks that post regularly immediately go to it and say something, instead of letting that thread die. I think it says more about many of the folks on PA than it doesn't ... and then we wonder why the number of folks is diminishing ... the amount of music and works certainly isn't ... so, it is very clear that the perspective is not right at all ... Mike would have no work if the names and works was not there! And it is, and more than EVER.
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