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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

(e) Talking about the album being "ahead of its time" is maybe not fully appropriate here. I'd rather say it happened at exactly the right time capturing something big that was happening just then.  
"Ahead of its time” is just a colloquialism. Each song ever recorded is vibing with the cultural and musical context of its era. However, when personal computers at home were just fancy gadgets for kids, Kraftwerk indeed had the foresight to see a world where we're living in a digital age. We, regardless of the revival of vinyl records, even listen to music from platforms! 

And in terms of sound, "Computer World" laid down the groundwork for genres like IDM and techno.

Sure, 1978's Die Mensch-Maschine is a special album in its own right, but this is a thread about those 80s records that are "ahead of their time."
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

^ I appreciate your take on the "ahead of its time" thing. The 80s had much good new and innovative music on offer, and that was a sign of its time, not so much "ahead of it" (the 80s have a bit of a bad reputation in prog circles, but the great music of the 80s was great 80s music, not music that would have been more at home in the 90s or later). 

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Having been in Southern California, where a lot of "progressive" was heard and played on the air, courtesy of the FM radio stations, the real issue was not the music or the artists, that by 1980 were already, let's say established enough that when FM radio was raped by the end of the 1970's, the musicians did well on their own without radio ... this "death of progressive music" is mostly the link to not being able to hear some new music, as the FM radio band had been massive in that area. All of a sudden you don't have a way to listen to it, and are left with college stations that often have a signal no better than the smells off the bathroom, and sometimes with programming that really ... well let's that go ... the Portland based one here once asked me what would my show bring to the air ... and she was interested in a social/anthropological idea which she thought made her station more important ... like anyone listens for that ... folks here would have a riot making fun of her ... I call it bad lyrics! And even though I had a history with the music, it didn't matter ... she wanted the idea, not the music!

Both MM and NME were fine in the 80's and they probably really helped a lot of stuff stay alive, but the one that really could, would NOT even try to help ... The Rolling Stone periodical was trash of the highest order and had the talent of a lot of street buskers from the Antarctica!

The idea that it was ahead of its time, is a comment, by folks that ... in my book ... were expecting some second coming, or third coming somewhere, and it didn't happen, because there was no periodical for music that helped, especially in America. But to say that the music died or those folks were ahead of their time, is the same thing as saying that Stravinsky, and Miles were not important to the whole thing in that century ... which really means ... NOT LISTENING at all, and expecting their favorite band to take the reign! Which didn't happen because there was no media to tell it was so!!!!

We, on Space Pirate Radio, did not have an issue with the "ahead of its time" thing ... I would almost say that Guy's thing then, was "none of the hits none of the time", and that even went for the top stuff in our lists, and specially American music as Guy kept on with all foreign music from around the world, and there is a lot he played that we don't even know or care to discuss, but it shows up in the 132nd line, or ranking in a list or two!

So, from our perspective, to see/consider any music ahead of its time, was a stupid idea ... all arts are slightly ahead of their time, unless you are the top of the Variety listing that still shows a listing of things that no one that I know, here or anywhere else, EVER listens to, and that pretty much tells you that the music business wants to make sure that some things do not interfere with their ability to show the public what sells, and what is not even worth looking at since it is not listed ... and the sad thing, is that a lot of PA is centered on that and not as much about the music as ... for example ... JMA is, where the new postings are maintained in all styles and listings ... and no numbers are required at all, as your favorite especialy will show several albums you can check out ... PA has no such thing and relies on folks making a list ... and, honestly ... I hope that falls off completely ... it's about the music not the list ... and this is something that a lot of us WERE into the music in the early days, and we never lost the touch and go back to the commercial design and focus since then, specially starting the 1980's right after the real FM radio dial was killed off from playing new music, and instead play the "classics" ... which it still does and 45 years later, no one gives a damn!
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It's totally impossible to listen to everything. There are literally not enough hours in the day and then human beings have to sleep or go mad so you don't have 24 hours and then there are those pesky hours when you have to get exercise, go to work to earn money and fulfill repsonsibilities which can be many. Lists are just shorthand recommendations. They may be bad recomendations but you have to start somewhere. Perhaps a well written review is better I grant you and that is where PA excels (not talking about mine which are only notable for their brevity). Also being commercial successful is not necessarily a crime either. Kate Bush realised that to get her music out there she had to play the game. Peter Gabriel gave in to this a little bit as well. David Bowie constantly had hits. How would we know about these artists if they were not having hits? . Nowadays pop music is mostly trash but then something very interesting pops up like say a new band such as The Last Dinner Party. Music is a vast ocean and virtually impossible to track. We need guidance from somewhere. The trick is not to stick to one source. It all matters to some extent.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Nowadays pop music is mostly trash but then something very interesting pops up like say a new band such as The Last Dinner Party. Music is a vast ocean and virtually impossible to track. We need guidance from somewhere. The trick is not to stick to one source. It all matters to some extent.

Hi,

I don't think pop music is mostly trash any more than I do progressive and prog rock music. It's the same thing regardless of form.

But, in reality, it is really easy to say this TODAY ... since there was no Internet 50 years ago and how things got seen or heard was often lucky and nothing else ... we came across a bunch of stuff in a friend's house ... not radio, or publication, at all ... and she wasn't into music ... a friend of hers had asked her to house some 2K Lp's until he was done moving. And there, there were GEMS that radio folks ignored and sold to many stores for some extra money, or something not readily available.

There was ... almost ... nothing to track since you had not heard much ... and I think the FM radio band busted that thought real quick ... until it was bought out in America by corporate interests (station we had was bought by Texaco folks) ... to ensure that everyone else's product did not get a chance anymore ... 30 years later the Internet threw a massive wrench in that thought and here we are ... so many choices that we often can not listen to anything else, or even make up our minds about so much stuff because our favorite gets the groove, and not something else we don't know ... and worse ... we don't want to know!

I think the "guidance" thing is an illusion, and that we were born to be slaves and submissives to whoever talked bigger and louder than us ... and the sad thing is that we allowed the media to get away with it ... and many politicians talking garbage and no one challenging them ... because they have power and the money to lawyer you into the ditch .... none of that is "ahead of its time" ... it's a way to control the public that keeps thinking they don't know better, or give a damn. And as time goes by, you do not think of many of those folks as important at all ... you already replaced that person with another icon or graven image!
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