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I don't think that I've enjoyed a DT album since Octavarium from 2005, which was probably the last year of LaBrie still occasionally pulling a decent live. Octavarium was also the last album where voice effects sounded like a creative decision rather than a compromise for LaBrie declining vocal ability.
But the LaBrie bashing is something that's been done to death, my real issue with modern DT, is that they're trying to sound too much like themselves.
It's one thing to have individuality in style, which granted all of the band members have. When you hear a modern DT song you instantly recognize it for being a DT song, and that's my problem.
DT for half of their career, was a fairly experimental without a single cohesive and consistent style.
They branched into many styles, from Jazz to Jack-Swing, Pop, Symphonic and etc, and after Octavarium their style became the encapsulation of all the stereotypes people had about their music.
The only exception to this was the Astonishing, which, I didn't like all that much.
I remember that bands like Dragonforce were bashed for their early albums being way too formulaic, and especially for the incompetence of their lead singer at the time. Due to their past influence DT has achieved an untouchability status, that I don't think they deserve at this point. Again, not that their new stuff is terrifically bad or anything. It just not for me.
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I really like them, and I've preliminarily rated the new release as 7.5/10 based on the tracks so far. The problem is that this is "bad" by DT standards, given their stellar releases more than 20 years ago. It's still a nice achievement, but it's also unfortunate that they did not take this opportunity to try a little harder to innovate - instead they churned out literally a bad dream version of themselves.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IncogNeato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 07:14
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

but it's also unfortunate that they did not take this opportunity to try a little harder to innovate - instead they churned out literally a bad dream version of themselves.

They had to hurry and get the MIKE IS BACK album out...we'll see what else they do going forward, but I doubt it'll be much.

They've settled into being "Dream Theater Product" and will continue to feed the business model.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 hours 31 minutes ago at 18:40
Originally posted by KorgC3 KorgC3 wrote:

I don't think that I've enjoyed a DT album since Octavarium from 2005, which was probably the last year of LaBrie still occasionally pulling a decent live. Octavarium was also the last album where voice effects sounded like a creative decision rather than a compromise for LaBrie declining vocal ability.
But the LaBrie bashing is something that's been done to death, my real issue with modern DT, is that they're trying to sound too much like themselves.
It's one thing to have individuality in style, which granted all of the band members have. When you hear a modern DT song you instantly recognize it for being a DT song, and that's my problem.
DT for half of their career, was a fairly experimental without a single cohesive and consistent style.
They branched into many styles, from Jazz to Jack-Swing, Pop, Symphonic and etc, and after Octavarium their style became the encapsulation of all the stereotypes people had about their music.
The only exception to this was the Astonishing, which, I didn't like all that much.
I remember that bands like Dragonforce were bashed for their early albums being way too formulaic, and especially for the incompetence of their lead singer at the time. Due to their past influence DT has achieved an untouchability status, that I don't think they deserve at this point. Again, not that their new stuff is terrifically bad or anything. It just not for me.

This seems about on the nose. I regularly go back to Octavarium, and with that, Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence and A Change Of Seasons all getting a fair amount of play.  Couldn't get my head round Systematic Chaos or Train Of Thought though and haven't listened to them in an age. I actually quite like The Astonishing, it was kind of their Quadrophenia and was maybe intended as a stage thing. Saw them play live on the Scenes From a Memory tour, wasn't anything memorable to me other than Portnoy's mannerism's which can be quite distracting!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IncogNeato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 hours 22 minutes ago at 20:49
I'll die on the hill of "A Change Of Seasons" being the single greatest song they ever wrote.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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