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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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 In particular, I mentioned that a number of contemporary bands are referred to as krautrock in addition to other tags like "experimental," "avant rock," "improvised music," etc., only in favor of describing their sound, which is partly inspired by 70s krautrock; the quality of many of those modern bands is indisputable.

 ... a drummer strictly doing the time thing, is more the American way than it is "krautrock" ... 
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Do you mean the confederate way? Redneck Rock? CCR SWAMP ROCK? Is that the kind of drum beats you're talking about? The kind in amateur bar bands or in dive bars...where people would think that GREENSLADE is a crayon company...Ange is a fruit from Brazil...Pulsar is a stop watch....Atomic Rooster is the Jersey Devil...Art Zoyd is a serial killer...??
The Yorùbá dùndún ensemble, Lagos, Nigeria:



The dùndún drum is often described as a 'talking drum,' which means it has the capability to mimic the tonal patterns of spoken Yoruba language. The talking drum has been used historically for communication over long distances.

In modern times, the dùndún continues to be celebrated in popular music genres such as Jùjú and Fuji music:





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Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

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 In particular, I mentioned that a number of contemporary bands are referred to as krautrock in addition to other tags like "experimental," "avant rock," "improvised music," etc., only in favor of describing their sound, which is partly inspired by 70s krautrock; the quality of many of those modern bands is indisputable.

 ... a drummer strictly doing the time thing, is more the American way than it is "krautrock" ... 
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


Do you mean the confederate way? Redneck Rock? CCR SWAMP ROCK? Is that the kind of drum beats you're talking about? The kind in amateur bar bands or in dive bars...where people would think that GREENSLADE is a crayon company...Ange is a fruit from Brazil...Pulsar is a stop watch....Atomic Rooster is the Jersey Devil...Art Zoyd is a serial killer...??
The Yorùbá dùndún ensemble, Lagos, Nigeria:



The dùndún drum is often described as a 'talking drum,' which means it has the capability to mimic the tonal patterns of spoken Yoruba language. The talking drum has been used historically for communication over long distances.

In modern times, the dùndún continues to be celebrated in popular music genres such as Jùjú and Fuji music:






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Kraut Rock bands like Popul Vuh were instrumental to the amazing atmosphere conveyed by these films! 


What would be the ideal diving point into Popul Vuh's discography or one should just listen from the debut? Regarding German films, and this is off topic, but I really liked Fritz Lang though he worked in the halcyon silent era.

Thanks!  I'm not an expert on Popul Vuh's discography, what I do when presented with a "new" band is I go to YouTube and sample different postings.  This enables me to skip around and get an idea for the flavor of of a work of music.  

This is one of my favorite of their works, and it sets the tone for the movie beautifully! 


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Originally posted by kirk782 kirk782 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


Kraut Rock bands like Popul Vuh were instrumental to the amazing atmosphere conveyed by these films! 


What would be the ideal diving point into Popul Vuh's discography or one should just listen from the debut? Regarding German films, and this is off topic, but I really liked Fritz Lang though he worked in the halcyon silent era.


Thanks!  I'm not an expert on Popul Vuh's discography, what I do when presented with a "new" band is I go to YouTube and sample different postings.  This enables me to skip around and get an idea for the flavor of of a work of music.  

This is one of my favorite of their works, and it sets the tone for the movie beautifully! 




This is just an amazing album! Totally timeless for me!! For many years I had the Celestial Harmonies versions of Popol Vuh . There was no indication that their music had been for film and basically not noted as such that they were on the Celestial Harmonies album covers. I generally didn't acknowledge that aspect to their career and grew used to the idea that their music was not attached to that working concept and to be honest...you really wouldn't have known the difference or ever had reason to distinguish between the two. I remember years ago seeing a film of Florian Fricke walking into the mountains. Supposedly the Himalayas. He seemed so genuine to me. He was definitely a very unique artist. The music that came out of him was unlike anyone I ever heard. There were certain people that had that uniqueness such as Terry Riley, David Parsons, Peter Michael Hamel, David Hykes Harmonic Choir, Stomu Yamashta, Jade Warrior ( Island period), Mike Oldfield....but Florian Fricke was in touch with a very unique style and I've always separated him from others in those times. I really appreciate the music he gave us!
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Syd Barett certainly gave Pink Floyd an iconic sound on their debut. It has some great tunes. In fact, I like their debut album [though it's not as consistent as say, Dark side of the Moon] as much as any PF album.

Krautrock had originality, I believe. Wasn't David Bowie enchanted by this sound [and the likes of Neu!] when making his Berlin trilogy?



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Originally posted by kirk782 kirk782 wrote:

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Krautrock had originality, I believe. Wasn't David Bowie enchanted by this sound [and the likes of Neu!] when making his Berlin trilogy?
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David Bowie is not a good person to discuss with, or about Krautrock. I think he was in Berlin because he wanted to feeling of the freedom that so many of those players had, when you look at Damo Suzuki, and so many other folks involved in the arts ... but David would be the worst of them all, because he was too concerned with his lyrics and its "voice" ... while the krautrock side was mostly free form and wild and all over the place ... this, David Bowie was not on stage ... but maybe off it, being a "bad boy" as he specified of his time with Iggy Pop. But on stage, things had to be clean and concise, and not wild, because it would take away David's ability to sing his words "correctly" as the song he devised.

One other example, is in Edgar Froese's book ... when he finally realized that David was not a good improviser, and even though he wanted Edgar to play, in the end, Edgar said that he was too wild and improvisational for David to be able to do something for him and he left the studio, so David could go find "his voice" in the new song ... without Edgar. At that point, Robert Fripp might have made an appearance, but I think that a song was already together by that time, with no guitar on it.

DB was too much of a lyricist ... to come close to anything "krautrock" and we know that in those days in Germany, lyrics were something to be satirized, distorted and killed in that order ... so that to this day, we still go bananas when we hear that the Mona Lisa is a bird brain! We wonder if that's true just like Eliot's famous line about Michelangelo ... what were the women thinking? It was likely a joke ... in bad taste, btw!


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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

 
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This is just an amazing album! Totally timeless for me!! For many years I had the Celestial Harmonies versions of Popol Vuh . There was no indication that their music had been for film and basically not noted as such that they were on the Celestial Harmonies album covers. I generally didn't acknowledge that aspect to their career and grew used to the idea that their music was not attached to that working concept and to be honest...you really wouldn't have known the difference or ever had reason to distinguish between the two. I remember years ago seeing a film of Florian Fricke walking into the mountains. Supposedly the Himalayas. He seemed so genuine to me. He was definitely a very unique artist. The music that came out of him was unlike anyone I ever heard. There were certain people that had that uniqueness such as Terry Riley, David Parsons, Peter Michael Hamel, David Hykes Harmonic Choir, Stomu Yamashta, Jade Warrior ( Island period), Mike Oldfield....but Florian Fricke was in touch with a very unique style and I've always separated him from others in those times. I really appreciate the music he gave us!

HI,

The Celestial Harmonies albums are not quite the same as the originals, btw. At least, though, the recordings got cleaned up some more which was needed, but it never interfered with the music itself! We loved it all the same!

There is fine joke that was once on the PV website that I really loved ... Werner Herzog and Florian Fricke were fairly good friends, and one day Werner said that he was going to do a new film and had no music to work with it ... Florian said something that in the closet there were all kinds of tapes and grab one and hopefully it helps. The following week, Werner shows up and goes ... I got a new film all done and your music is in it! That tape was great ... 

In many ways, that is really a nice take and view of what "krautrock" was and how it got into other areas of the arts ... even though we here on PA don't like to mention that ... and we forget that Wim Wenders and Werner Herzog both did films of a lot of the early days performances, by bands, actors and everyone else that showed up I'm sure.

No one, today, can even imagine that kind of thing and touch ... and it was the thing that made so much krautrock work ... and become well known ... despite a bad reviewer on MM saying something in poor taste ... but the joke ended up on him ... he put the music and the art scene on the map ... sadly we don't see that and we do not evaluate the movies, the theater and the rest of the arts that were something all of their friends in Germany were doing with a different stage, so to speak!


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