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6 "A" bands first 3 albums (five in PA, one not)

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Poll Question: Please vote for one favoured trio of albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 hours 3 minutes ago at 03:43
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Early Arena is the band at its most derivative, but the songwriting's just better to my ears. Their sound is basically harder-edged Marillion had Fish never left (at least up through The Visitor).


I think what can be said about the Wrightson era is that they were brave enough to release neo-prog albums back in the 90's when the style was deeply unfashionable and the 'scene' was embryonic. Their competition in this field was limited and mostly of a clunky, unimaginative quality, for which, age hasn't been kind. The Visitor is undoubtedly the best of the three, but they are all in truth nothing more than Marillion-by-numbers...  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 hours 44 minutes ago at 10:02
Six favourite Space Rock "A" bands and their first three albums.

 5 stars 2016: Agusa - Katarsis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkwfoAlouBA

 4 stars 2001: Asteroid #4 - King Richard's Collectibles - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0cQgEL-R-rTz8QdZlxvYDMc08jrZBZdj
 4 stars 2003: Asteroid #4 - Honeyspot

 4 stars 2013: Astral Son - Gurumaya - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJTUKk9Rlw
 4 stars 2015: Astral Son - Silver Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrqc8WfaP-0
 4 stars 2016: Astral Son - Mind's Eye - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSCxmRmjClA

 4 stars 2013: Atomic Simao - Nodo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4loJIRKcIM
 4 stars 2013: Atomic Simao - Sphyro - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg5usnDMOkE
 4 stars 2016: Atomic Simao - Echo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAoibWk3pY


 4 stars 2010: Awake & Gallo - In Search of the Universal Truth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Js2UojSwc
 4 stars 2011: Awake & Gallo - Ultra Violence World - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhMKtwCsznk
 3 stars 2013: Awake & Gallo - Prescription Only - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktT-PtRIhIE


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Formentera Lady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 hours 34 minutes ago at 12:12
My vote goes to:

Anubis:  230503, A Tower of Silence, Hitchhiking To Byzantium

I think Anubis belongs to the Neo Prog subgenre. Lately, I have read some negative comments on neo prog, as if neo prog was a bad genre, and I do not understand, why. I think it is as good a genre as symphonic prog, and Anubis is one of the excellent examples of the neo prog genre.

About Arena: I am not familiar with their discography. However, I have listened to their latest release 'The Theory of Molecular Inheritance' (2022). I think it is a fantastic album! I would highly recommend listening to it, in case you have not, yet.

First three great albums of artists with A is a hard requirement.
For example, with Anekdoten and Agusa, I only know their later albums which I like very much, and I always wanted to check out their earlier work, when I have time.

How about one album wonders, which means the artist/band have released one great album and then they were never heard of again?
I have a few examples:

Arachnoid (1979)
Atmosphera - Lady of Shalott (1977)
All Traps On Earth - A Drop of Light (2018)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 8 hours 32 minutes ago at 14:14
^ Thanks, FL, for such a thoughtful post. While I prefer classic symphonic Prog generally (a lot of the modern symph is quite repugnant to my ears) to Neo-Prog, I would not call myself a fan of Neo-Prog or Symphonic Prog.

I've been reading very negative comments about Neo-Prog for at least twenty years (I did not know of it before the 2000s) and some of that has come from me. Especially in my early years here I was very harsh with it. For me it was because it had a kind of slick AORish pop-rock sound often with a terrible to my ears keyboard sound, seemed kind of emo, too in the melodic rock vein, and went too much in for solos for my tastes and with later albums it flirted too much with metal and heavy rock for me. And again, I'm not that big on Symph which was a big influence. Had, say, Univers Zero or Henry Cow been a bigger influence than Genesis, it likely would have hit the mark much more for me. Neo-RIO for that win and I way prefer Neo-Psych to Neo-Prog. Pink Floyd was an influence, but I don't like post The Wall stuff and I might have rather that influence come more from PF's 60s experimental and psych side. I much prefer PF's influence on Krautrock, and I much prefer the big influence of Krautrock on 90s-up music than the influence of Symph and earlier Neo-Prog bands like Marillion on modern bands.

I have come to like much more heavy music, by the way and have found music included in every category at PA. Duster is my favourite band included in Neo-Prog here in the hallowed halls of PA, but I have not heard the Neo-Prog in Duster (I have the self-titled album and bands can be quite diverse, but that is Neo-Psych).

I found that what I heard of Neo-Prog lacked the experimental, adventurous, jazzy, and psychedelia qualities, as well as the kinds of atmosphere and ambience that appealed to me. I quickly found that music like RIO/Avant, Acid Folk, Krautrock, Zeuhl, Progressive Electronic, Canterbury Scene and some kinds of JRF and different forms of art rock/ art pop was much more likely to appeal to me than Neo-Prog (the other most difficult for on the whole has been progressive Metal). And in the post-classic era stuff, I love lots of Post-Rock, things here in Crossover like Radiohead (now that gets emotional), Kate Bush, Susanne Sundfor, Anna von Hausswolff and Bjork. Thinking, I like so much female led projects, if someone has an all female Neo-Prog band I'd like to try it (maybe one from Japan).

Neo-Prog has been very popular at PA, but also divisive. I have known quite few people at this site who were all over the brilliance of, say, IQ while being extremely disparaging of more experimental works. Fine to have an opinion, good to e express that opinion with semblance of diplomacy imo but putting down others tastes (if saying something like your taste in music sucks) entrenches people more in a position and is unnecessarily divisive. Then more people jump on the hate wagons as it becomes an us vs. them scenario (with some in both camps it's true). Of course some seem too far too easily get upset at others not liking what they like which can result in being vindictive. Music, what we like, can be a very big part of our identity so having others say negative things about that which we like can feel like a personal attack when it is not.

Not having really gotten it myself, I get why many are not too found of Neo-Prog just as I am that many of those most into the more mainstream forms of melodic prog (like Symph) might not appreciate a lot of music I like. Neo-Prog is more likely to appeal to people here are very into Symphonic Prog (such as Genesis, which I am not that into despite liking the Lamb and various other music) and, AORish music Rush etc.)

I do like Ararchnoid by the way, in Symph, but I have had a thing for French Prog. Still, I don't love that album like I did twenty years ago.

Edited by Logan - 8 hours 14 minutes ago at 14:32
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 minutes ago at 22:29
It's far too easy to be obsessed with tags and not the music itself.
I would rather see the whole 'Neo Prog' consigned to the bin as it does no service to the bands in question. My history with it:
I had quite reached a low point with music back in the 80's then I discovered IQ. Their first 2 albums are masterpieces for me but then unfortunately they were pulled into the whole AOR/pop scene with 1987's Nomzamo. However this does have some fine 'pop' writing and arguably given a chance, Paul Menel might be talked about in the same breath as Mark Hollis. Genius song writer but not a great fit for IQ although apparently they were not flush with options to replace the then departing Peter Nicholls after The Wake. When IQ returned in the 90's (with Nicholls back in the fold) they largely redefined 'Neo Prog' and even their own sound by understanding that there was a market for cleaner production but making the music a bit ' harder' and dare I say 'proggier'. Ever and Subterranea are not ordinary albums and made an impact. Of their later albums The Road Of Bones is much respected although I maybe prefer Frequency a bit more. Perhaps there is nothing ground breaking here but their professionalism is unmatched imo. 

My thoughts on the other major players:
Marillion are easily the 'market leaders' . Their first seven albums are all different and that in itself is quite an achievement. In recent years there have been some strong comeback releases with the likes of An Hour Before Dawn and FEAR. They have managed to create thoughtful, interesting and well crafted music for decades and along the way even invented 'crowd funding'. A massively important band that you dismiss at your peril.

Arena were the band that were very much part of the prog revival back in the 90's with their early albums containing that slightly cheesy overly dramatic approach that pulls you in. I enjoy them a lot and the recent The Theory Of Molecular Inheritance is a brilliant album as previously mentioned.

Pendragon. Never bothered with them bck in the day but of course Clive Nolan is a great keyboard player and maybe I like him more with Arena (his other main band). That said, Love Over Fear helped me through lock down and has some tremendous song writing. Starfish and The Moon is way better than any modern pop song written by Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran and the like. If the music industry had a clue that album would have been massive.

Pallas. Again not followed them too much but their 00's release Dreams Of Men has a powerfull almost metal like sound that sees a new approach to Neo with a further evolution in style. Overall they seem to me to be quite a patchy band but have a solid following.

Magenta. Never quite sure they should be filed under Neo. Their debut was 4 side long tracks which doesn't scream 'Neo'. Perhaps the much loved Seven is closer in style to classic neo but mostly its underpinned by great song writing from Rob Reed and his brother Steve and the superb female vocal of Christina and stellar guitar of Chris Fry. I've seen this band live several times and they kick ass! I would rate them as my favourite band that was formed in this century. Recent albums such as We Are Legend and Masters Of Illusion are consistent and well crafted. Hopefully there will be a new album on the horizon.

Those are the major players. If you filter Neo releases on PA then you get quite a mix of bands.
Sylvan - don't know them
Galahad - recent albums are superb imo
Frost* - not a neo prog band, no one calls them that!
Modern-Rock Ensemble - don't know them
Collage - Don't Know Them
Drifting Sun - Only just became aware of them. The Veil (their most recent) is decent.
Comedy Of Errors - Good band that I've not paid enough attention to
Mystery - Canadian band. I like them and not typical 'neo' they have their own distinct take.
Barock Project- Great band for keys. Their most recent album is excellent.
Airbag and Infringement - Of course there has to be a neo band from Norway and here we have 2. Infringement's Black Science and White Lies sees them moving into new areas and almost a post-rock approach. An album of the year and well recommended for those that don't like typical Neo Prog.




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