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    Posted: January 06 2025 at 16:31
This is about progressive music and music that relates to Prog at least (and you think could be in PA ideally, if not already). It is about innovative and creative music. I might well move it later. The 80s often gets mucked, but there was remarkable music being made and new forms of music coming out. I found the Post-Punk scene very fertile, and forms of New Wave, experimental music...

A particularly remarkable one for me (and I want toy to rectify his not being in PA) is Glenn Branca. He was doing post-rock kinds of stuff before post-rock really got going. Of course he was influenced by other music and guitarists. Here are a couple of examples that I think remarkable and fantastic...

Here is Glenn Branca's "Lesson No. 1" off his 1980 EP (that EP is Prog to me, that and the longer "Dissonance").



And here is the title track off 1981'a Ascension, which I find bloody amazing (if one likes Swans, and post-rock like Godspeed.... this is more likely to appeal than if you like, say, 80s Camel).



Do you think that ahead of its time, what are some of the ones that you would mention?

Note: I will do this in the Prog lounge, was going to in General Music Discussions because I want a focus on the kinds of music in PA and that at least you think could be in PA.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2025 at 18:40
Cassiber were a cool 80s band. Here's a very interesting 2024 release, which is a sampler of collaborations they did at the time:
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Here is Glenn Branca's "Lesson No. 1" off his 1980 EP (that EP is Prog to me, that and the longer "Dissonance").



I haven't listened to this is YEARS. Such a wunnerful piece of music! Branca should definitely be on PA. This is indeed the template for post-rock. If someone did it before Branca, I'd like to know. He's why Trans Am and Maserati exist.
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^ i agree that Glenn Branca is prog but more importantly i deem him and the Durutti Column to be the first post-rock artists, NOT Bark Psychosis

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Does this apply?
 

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^ It does for me. Great stuff! And quite the cover. Great post-punk with post-rock qualities. Reminding me somewhat of Joy Division amongst other things by the way, which I love.
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While RIO/Avant and Zeuhl or the 1980's feel fresh and innovative to me even today, it's none of it was really ahead of its time. But here's few suggestions:

The Residents - Mark of the Mole (including Intermission & The Tunes of Two Cities). Most of the trilogy has a certain industrial concept-feel to it, that doesn't really resemble much music I know of made back then. I feel that I've heard similar or comparable electronic soundscapes, beats and machinery etc... all the time thoughout the last three decades.

Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden. I guess there's still nothing quite like it, but I think a certain approach to sound and what a rock song could be, was heard here that feels rather unique for its time.

Although combining from many traditions old and new, Dead Can Dance whole 1980's career is filled with music that wasn't really out there prior to their existence. Within the Realms of a Dying Sun, Spleen And Ideal, The Serpent's Egg... these kinds of musical fusions were perhaps heard in bits hare and there before Brendan and Lisa entered the scene. But there was no albums filled with music like this.

Kate Bush - for The Dreaming and Hounds of Love in particular. Every "strange, artsy and artistic woman" in music ever since has been compared to her. She's like the motherlode.


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I would think Talking Heads would qualify as musically progressive, not "prog."

I think Minutemen took punk rock in a progressive direction. Kate, Cardiacs, XTC?, Happy Rhodes just to name a couple more.
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Of course I'm going to mention, Allan Holdsworth and the Pat Metheny Group.

Both ahead of their time in the 80's and even today. Timeless.

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Early Djam Karet.
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Hi,

Heck, Marillion would likely fit, though folks think that Fish was a copy ... and he was much more honest and true to himself and the work he did for many years.

Djam Karet starts up in 1985, but the album that got their attention was in 1989 (Reflections From the Firepool) ... 

I also find it weird when folks think the 1980's weren't very good ... heck, Peter Hammill had some outstanding things on his own, alone!

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Djam Karet starts up in 1985, but the album that got their attention was in 1989 (Reflections From the Firepool)


Correct, it remains the favorite album of more than a few DK fans, Greg Walker included.


Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I also find it weird when folks think the 1980's weren't very good ...


Ditto. I own hundreds of albums released in the '80s.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Does this apply?
 


Hi,

Very nice album all the way through ... 
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Djam Karet starts up in 1985, but the album that got their attention was in 1989 (Reflections From the Firepool)


Correct, it remains the favorite album of more than a few DK fans, Greg Walker included.


Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I also find it weird when folks think the 1980's weren't very good ...


Ditto. I own hundreds of albums released in the '80s.

Hi,

I really think that the lack of FM Radio in the 1980's ... was what hurt the most, but the music never died. There were too many bands that were out there, however, like FELT, there were many that we had never heard of, or about, and this band, I just heard for the first time ... 40 years later! FM radio losing its independence to the corporate world was an attempt to take music out of our hands (late 70's early 80's) ... and the Internet helped a lot (later), but it is becoming corporate owned and we need to start fighting that again. DJAM KARET was a part of my collection going back to 1990's ... on the album right after "Reflections" ... which got me to be on them ever since.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

DJAM KARET was a part of my collection going back to 1990's ... on the album right after "Reflections" ... which got me to be on them ever since.


Same, Burning the Hard City is what hooked me (and I ordered it based on Wayside's description). They've been one of my favorite bands ever since.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Djam Karet starts up in 1985, but the album that got their attention was in 1989 (Reflections From the Firepool)


Correct, it remains the favorite album of more than a few DK fans, Greg Walker included.


Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I also find it weird when folks think the 1980's weren't very good ...


Ditto. I own hundreds of albums released in the '80s.


I recently bought it and yes it is very solid. The Devouring and maybe a few others are also highly rated. Unfortunately the Devouring (which is a bit later anyway and a 90s and not 80s album) is out of print anyway.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Heck, Marillion would likely fit, though folks think that Fish was a copy ... and he was much more honest and true to himself and the work he did for many years.




Agree and I also loved and still like Marillion's Seasons End album from 1989. Seemed to capture a lot for me that I felt at the time and an album that estued the typical 'Neo Prog' approach. I see that as being quietly innovative.

I mentioned Iron Maiden on the sister thread and would still put them here for Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son. The birth of 'prog metal' perhaps.

I would like to mention Jon and Vangelis. I've been listening to them over the last few days and they were making original music that still stands up (Horizon, The Friends Of Mr Cairo and State Of Independence are amazing songs just in their own right)

I would agree on Talk Talk as mentioned earlier in the thread but China Crisis were on a par and were guided by Walter Becker. There were other great artsy pop acts such as Japan, A Flock Of Seagulls, Tears For Fears, Propaganda (my personal favourite) and even the likes of Duran Duran (for Save a Prayer), Frankie Goes To Hollywood (Relax and Two Tribes) and Simple Minds (Waterfront) were very interesting at times. 


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I mentioned Iron Maiden on the sister thread and would still put them here for Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son. The birth of 'prog metal' perhaps.

As much as I love the album, the birth of progressive metal did not start with it. 
USPM bands did that before Maiden (some of them being influenced by Maiden LOL)

All sort of experimentation also was happening in thrash - Watchtower, Mekong Delta, Voivod that would influence other bands later on. 
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^ Agreed, I think it was the other way round. The early PM US bands were influenced by early-80s Maiden, and then Maiden on SSOASS was influenced by them.
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