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Actually, as far as I can see, RYM doesn't use the term "Punk" quite as a genre but as "a broad musical category and subculture 
that was born out of the Punk Rock movement".

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

What's grotesque is that this site crashes on me almost every time I visit it. The forum doesn't work, messages don't work etc etc etc

NEVER happens on RYM which is impeccably maintained and updated regularly.

It may be a question where these technical problems come from because I have rather rarely any.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Hmmm...punk you say? 

The Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
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I just love this title.  Big smile
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To quote Logan's reply: "Does that include all post-punk and all music that you would consider to be punk related?"
My answer would be definitely not! I tend to like a lot of stuff that gets the post-punk tag, which sounds weird. I think the term probably gets washed away being overused by professional critics and journalists, that could be a reason why. But my problem is rooted in classic punk for sure (Late 70s).
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

What's grotesque is that this site crashes on me almost every time I visit it. The forum doesn't work, messages don't work etc etc etc

NEVER happens on RYM which is impeccably maintained and updated regularly.

It may be a question where these technical problems come from because I have rather rarely any.



Consider yourself lucky. For years MMA has suffered from collaborators simply frustrated with the site's inability to edit correctly or even perform basic tasks. Just read the BUGS thread on this site and you'll see the same frustration.

In fact i can't even send a message in the forum without having to copy, refresh and then paste again almost every time. I have a computer that's about a year old and have tried various web browsers. Same results.

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I only liked Punk in its original form , when it got watered down it lost all credibility for me as well as that energy that made it what it was. I would say then British bands were the best. I loved The Stranglers up to about Black and White Album (plus that great cover of Walk On By) and the Pistols were a hoot. Wasn't so keen on the Clash mainly because of the 'London thing'. Siouxsie and The Banshees were easily my favourites and carried on making great music into the 80's. Peak a Boo is oustanding but also what a great song Israel is and it still resonates as hard as ever (sadly). Almost a bit proggy with that choir sound towards the end. I liked The Damned as well but mainly for New Rose and also a nice cover of Love's 'Alone Again Or'. The Jam were also another entry into great 3 piece bands of our time with a string of great hits. Also liked The Motors before they got commercialised with songs like Airport. Punk was largely done before it started but it had an annoying legacy with any Tom , Dick and Harriot thinking they could now be a rock star without the necessary work to go with it. That was kind of the point but it also lead to some later dreadful non musician producer driven crap. IMO

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Hmmm... what about none? Can't stand punk. Thumbs Down


U2 my dear ?
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I only liked Punk in its original form , when it got watered down it lost all credibility for me as well as that energy that made it what it was. I would say then British bands were the best. 
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Hi,

I was thinking you might want to see Penelope Spheeris series of films "The Decline of Western Civilization" where you get to see LA really far out there and wild ... and probably more interesting ... the main difference was that America did not exactly have a periodical that helped "punk" along ... and that helped a lot of punk all over America fall off the news quickly ... not to mention that one thing that you get with Spheeris films is that here it comes off as bands that did not exactly gave a damn, and really had little to fight for ... and they did not exactly last very long because of it. Thus,m it is easy to say that the British were best, since they became known and associated for it ... LA and NY did not ... and they had many of these bands around! But in NY, you will never get a word anywhere, unless you sell a million so it becomes an "art" like so many others out there!
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Consider yourself lucky. For years MMA has suffered from collaborators simply frustrated with the site's inability to edit correctly or even perform basic tasks. Just read the BUGS thread on this site and you'll see the same frustration.

In fact i can't even send a message in the forum without having to copy, refresh and then paste again almost every time. I have a computer that's about a year old and have tried various web browsers. Same results.

I guess it's about economics, and maybe all Paul's threads are a bit heavy load. Big smile
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Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Hmmm... what about none? Can't stand punk. Thumbs Down


U2 my dear ?

People could just keep away from threads with topics they don't like, but I think that it's quite okay to tell about one's dislikes. I also think though that it would be much better to do it in a less negative way. Wink
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^I don't see a problem with that, it's a music forum at the end of the day, and telling others what genres you like and dislike is part of the discussion. I don't see anything inherently negative in expressing your opinion. If you open any of my polls, you will see many comments of forum users who dislike certain bands or albums, and that is perfectly okay.
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I reckon that this new addition to my list won't make Punk purists happy, either Big smile :

Shellac  (USA)  -  At Action Park   (Post-Hardcore, 1994)

while Nick would certainly not mind:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

It’s kind of hard to argue that bands described as post-punk are not punk. Just as post-rock bands are still rock, and post-metal bands are still metal, post-punk is still punk - just a different form of it. This is especially true when you consider that almost all the bands you mention, while now generally called post-punk, were initially part of a new wave of bands coming from and reading against the rawness and simplicity of the first wave of punk, and before one name was eventually agreed upon, were known as new punk, new wave, and art punk, and probably others, too. At the same time as the new wave was the so called no wave, also called avant punk. But new wave or no wave, art punk or avant punk, they all eventually became known as the vast, sprawling genre that is post-punk.

While “post” means after, it doesn’t mean it’s not part of the same lineage. Another example within the many punk sub-genres (of which post-prog is generally recognised as being) is post-hardcore. Both hardcore and post-hardcore are sub-genres of punk, and while the latter came “after” the former, post-hardcore is still a form of hardcore.

Pop punk is the sub-genre that to me seems and sounds often to have the least resemblance or point of comparison to the original punk scene. Post-prog is considerably closer to the original aesthetic than pop punk, to my ears. It may have more sophistication than the garage and pub rock sounds of the original wave of punk, but it is nowhere near as polished and commercial.

There has also always been a world of difference between the original UK and US punk scenes and sounds, that has carried on and over through time in both those countries. I really don’t know enough about the original punk scenes and sounds from countries other than the UK or US, but I guess I’ve always imagined that they tended to take after one or the other of those.


Well, Nick, our relation was not a very good one, but still, I have some sympathetic feelings left for you, and best wishes whereever you are! Smile


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Besides RYM, also the site AllMusic may seem to consider Post-Punk as a sub-genre of Punk:

Post-Punk

After the punk revolution of 1977, a number of bands inspired by the d.i.y. spirit and raw sound of punk were formed. However, instead of replicating the sound of the Sex Pistols, many of these bands forged into more experimental territory, taking cues from a range of artists and styles, such as Roxy Music, David Bowie (especially Low, Heroes and Lodger), disco, dub and Krautrock. The result was Post-Punk, a more adventurous and arty form of punk, no less angry or political but often more musically complex and diverse. Many of these groups -- like Joy Division or the Cure -- created dark, synthesizer-oriented soundscapes while others-- like Orange Juice or XTC -- had a lighter guitar-based musical approach but their lyrics and music were off-kilter and often subverted traditional pop/rock song structures. Post-punk eventually developed into alternative pop/rock in the '80s.

( https://www.allmusic.com/style/post-punk-ma0000004450 )

So that's how the two biggest all-music sites look at the question of Post-Punk.


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Anyway, I'm fond of all the albums on my present list, and it's been interesting to discover their relation to the original Punk Rock movement - when I began to think about starting this thread, I never imagined that I had in my collection so many "Punk" albums. 
What makes sense and what not to consider as Punk sub-genres, that is imo a job for musicologists to decide, and it may also much depend on the context it is used in or the talk is about.





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^ there are many subs of punk rock. Always have been. The Ramones were more of a pop punk band. The Sex Pistols and Crass were anarcho-punk. The Clash was more of a new wave / punk hybrid (other than the debut which really was pure punk). Dead Kennedys was hardcore punk. The Misfits was horror punk. Discharge was considered D-Beat / crust punk. Agent Orange was surf punk. Etc.

Terms used on RYM include anarcho-punk, Celtic punk, Deathrock, Deutschpunk, egg punk, garage punk, glam punk, hardcore punk, burning spirits, crossover thrash, crust punk, blackened crust, neocrust, stenchcore, d-beat, Japanese hardcore, melodic hardcore, mincecore, New York hardcore, skacore, crack rock steady, street punk, thrashcore, powerviolence, UK82, horror punk, Könsrock, Oi!, pop punk, easycore, Seishun punk, psychobilly, queercore, riot grrrl, ska punk, skate punk, surf punk, Vikingarock

Then there are unofficial hybrids like progressive punk etc

Whether anyone likes every style or not is irrelevant when it comes to classification

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