ELO or ELP

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Wow, it looks like ELP is running away with this. I'm not sure they would do so good if they were up against Gentle Giant though.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - November 30 2024 at 18:43

Bj-1 wrote: ^I just gave GG a vote in that thread since it was still open..

Logan wrote: verslibre wrote: ELP. ELO does zip for me. not that i would expect you to like it, but this was maybe my first favourite ELO songs when I was a child (my eldest brother was into ELO) "Mission (A World Record)" off a New World Record.

I heard quite a bit of ELO back in the '90s while at university. My neighbor hung out with us, and he had the big box set. I know they've a very dedicated fan base, but I could never get into them.

Logan wrote: Weirdly, perhaps, ELP's In the Hot Seat was not nearly as bad for me as I was expecting.

ItHS isn't "bad" so much as it's not memorable. It feels like a band going through the paces, a band that we expect so much more from. But I wouldn't say it's necessarily worse than the 3 record that Emerson and Palmer did with Robert Berry.

Both. 

ELO is up there with ABBA and The Carpenters as one of my favorite commercial pop/rock groups of all time. ELP hurts my ears - and I don't mean that as a compliment.

Manuel wrote: Logan wrote: Manuel wrote: ELP witho a doubt. ELO is good, specially their early work, but ELP certainly was a better band, at least in my book. Interesting, i have not thought that ELP was good beyond its first few albums. I would say that ELO's 1974 work is much better than ELP with the late 70s works, but then I also prefer ts earlier albums to those of ELP. I appreciate ELP's debut the most, and used to like trilogy very much. I guess it's a matter of personal taste. In any case, both band have their own merits, and deserve credit for their work.

it's interesting to try to understand why someone believes something of course, not just I like something better than another, and I do like getting into specific reasoning, and that's the joy of conversation.

I just had not thought that ELP would be much respected after its first four albums with Brain Salad Surgery (1973) even among many of its fans of the first four albums. Not saying you would be wrong to, of course.

I think it's a very limited strong run of albums and a huge number of bands bettered it. I do think that's one of the reasons why ELP is not as well respected as some of its fans think it deserves. There are so, so many that I think had longer and better runs in PA. I'm reminded that I did a topic not that long ago where I did the top 12 albums of various bands and someone was offended that I did not for Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Not only could I not do that because I don't know enough albums, but I would not have thought that Emerson, Lake and Palmer 12 albums that I thought would be well-respected at this forum . I would have only counted four, and I don;t like that many ELP albums. Frankly, that's a reason why I find ELP overrated, it's that air of expectation, but then fans tend to overrated. I have grown to loathe ELP and we all have our biases. As long as we recognise that they are biases, and you did with saying "in my book" which I hugely appreciate.

Might be interesting to see a poll pitting the post 1973 albums from the 1970s by ELO and ELP and only voting if you know the albums by both bands reasonably well. I could not vote yet as I have only heard bits and pieces of the ELP albums below and just those first three by ELO (could be those thirst three by both).

Works Volume 1 (1977)
Works Volume 2 (1977)
Love Beach (1978)

Eldorado (1974)
Face the Music
A New World Record (1976)
Out of the Blue (1977)
Discover (1979)

For me, from what I know, ELP peaked with the debut. Mind you, even with a beloved-by-me band like Magma (who means much more to me than ELP and ELO) that 1970 double-album debut is the most special to me.

verslibre wrote: ELP. ELO does zip for me.

I don't know what "I really only know ELP" means in terms of how much ELO music I need to have to count as knowing them. But I'll vote for ELP anyway, in spite of not having much ELO music, but at least having some. The best of ELP far exceeds anything I've heard from ELO.

I understand Richard, and I hope you found my response acceptable, reasonable and reasonably warm: CLICK . It was heartfelt. I have very much appreciated your friendliness and our conversations at the forum and would hate to be factor in you considering leaving. I do think our musical passions can get overblown and become more important than other things maybe should be in our social interactions. I care more about, for instance, if I can laugh with someone than if they like and recognise Magma. Heck, we can laugh about Magma..

I, of course am way more into the Krautrock, RIO, Post-Rock, Pysch and Folk sides of PA. Just doing 11 by Yes and Genesis was tough, but I have not heard anywhere near 11 ELP albums so would not have wanted to put them in the rankings. Sorry for referring to it above, not thinking well today and had even forgotten writing that. It's not the first time that thing has happened with ELP, and I don't remember who it was before. I have seen some vitriol from various people into bands that goes way beyond your feeling a little pissed on a very bad day. I really am glad you decided against leaving PA at the time.

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https://elpmusic.bandcamp.com/album/elp-elp-elp-elp

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