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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Certain members of Genesis and Jonathan King have stated in the past that From Genesis To Revelation had similarities to the Bee Gees. Are there Genesis fans who agree with that I wonder?


And are there Bee Gees fans that agree with that? I'm into music by both.

I like early Bee Gees and it does have similarities with the Genesis album. They both do the psychedelic/ baroque pop/ pop-rock 60s thing.

Just to cover faves rather than highlight the most similarities: My favourite song off Genesis debut (1969), "The Serpent":



And this is Bee Gees' "Deeply, Deeply Me" off 1968's Horizontal.



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^Love this one:
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Certain members of Genesis and Jonathan King have stated in the past that From Genesis To Revelation had similarities to the Bee Gees. Are there Genesis fans who agree with that I wonder?


And are there Bee Gees fans that agree with that? I'm into music by both.

I like early Bee Gees and it does have similarities with the Genesis album. They both do the psychedelic/ baroque pop/ pop-rock 60s thing.

Just to cover faves rather than highlight the most similarities: My favourite song off Genesis debut (1969), "The Serpent":



And this is Bee Gees' "Deeply, Deeply Me" off 1968's Horizontal.



There is an influence of Bee Gees but I never observed that until recently. Jonathan King had stated that if artists covered some of the songs from their first album that they could be hit records. I never gave it much thought but it's interesting to think that Genesis started that way...then went more in the direction of Prog...then by 1978 began writing more mainstream oriented music again with Follow You Follow Me... I was totally oblivious to that...but I believe Phil Collins once stated that originally they were trying to write more of a Pop style..which stopped but continued almost a decade later. Sorry to jabberbox everyone to death...but I was in the dark with all that and realize now that it's possibly a reality
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Genesis always had pop in its DNA but apparently King want it to be more straightforward pop.    I think Bee Gees made music that would not be out of place in Proto- Prog. For me Psych and Prog overlap so much, as does pop and rock, and Bee Gees were into Psych. As is common, it depends with Genesis and Bee Gees on the album, period and song.

Genesis - The Silent Sun





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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Love this one:


That's terrific.

Quite an album from 1967 -- the pre-disco era often gets ignored, including at this site.
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Foxtrot has my favorite mellotron opening of all time in Watcher of the Skies [no disrespect to the original King Crimson album :p] and is my favorite Genesis album. I came to love Selling England by the Pound as well [except 'Battle of Epping Forest' ; I could never make out the vocals on that even after poring over lyrics].

I did give a chance once to Phil Collins' era Genesis when he was the lead singer but never revisited it much. I think I should listen to couple of solo albums from the band members; I haven't heard a single one from that repository.

I listened to Genesis: Live again and loved it [well, except for 'The Knife']. Good thing the band didn't prey to noodling and endless jamming on this unlike other bands [not that it is always a bad thing but it sometimes makes the song seem unfocussed and wavering]. I am listening to Tony Banks' most recent effort right now which is much more classical inspired, I guess.


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I really like Mike Rutherford Smallcreep's Day. I play it around the house and friends say it sounds like Pop Music. Who cares? However it comes across...who knows? All I know is that I am addicted to that album. I like every song!

Mike Rutherford had said something negative about it but I can't recall what that was. It may have had something to do with him not getting what he desired from the project?? Nevertheless I think it's a masterpiece! It's such a great album! It reminds me of how Chris Squire pulled off Fish Out Of Water . I think of Smallcreep's Day as being perfect. It's so damn hard to do an album like that and getting it right. The vocals are outstanding and very unique sounding to me. The way the songs are structured.....I love it!! ❤️
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Genesis have been the classic prog band that I have paid the least attention too, so about 50 years after discovering them, I'm suddenly bingeing on them. I only just just got fGtR well actually my copy was reissued as "And the Word Was..." which has the two singles both a and b sides at the start and end of the album. I had heard that it was pretty terrible, so I didn't have great expectations, although I liked the idea of it sounding like the Bee Gees First, which is a cool album, I also quite liked the idea of it being awash with strings. On my first listen I really liked it, I thought it was supposed to be a boring pop album, but it is anything but. It's as weird as anything they've ever done. Gabriel does seem to be channeling Robin Gibb and they have some out there lyrics, there is some nice use of phasing, lush strings giving a glorious decadence, (making me think a bit of Scott Walker) then this big echoey piano sound keeps emerging. 

Also how could you not want to get to know the very first album and see the Genesis of Genesis. 

I've only just got to know it but I could see myself really getting to love this album and from there it's all good to at least Wind and Wuthering. I'm also exploring the bypasses of the solo careers. 
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Originally posted by Borris Borris wrote:

Genesis have been the classic prog band that I have paid the least attention too, so about 50 years after discovering them, I'm suddenly bingeing on them. I only just just got fGtR well actually my copy was reissued as "And the Word Was..." which has the two singles both a and b sides at the start and end of the album. I had heard that it was pretty terrible, so I didn't have great expectations, although I liked the idea of it sounding like the Bee Gees First, which is a cool album, I also quite liked the idea of it being awash with strings. On my first listen I really liked it, I thought it was supposed to be a boring pop album, but it is anything but. It's as weird as anything they've ever done. Gabriel does seem to be channeling Robin Gibb and they have some out there lyrics, there is some nice use of phasing, lush strings giving a glorious decadence, (making me think a bit of Scott Walker) then this big echoey piano sound keeps emerging. 

Also how could you not want to get to know the very first album and see the Genesis of Genesis. 

I've only just got to know it but I could see myself really getting to love this album and from there it's all good to at least Wind and Wuthering. I'm also exploring the bypasses of the solo careers. 

I know the thread title creates confusion, but this is supposed to be a Genesis appreciation thread in general. I was initially confused just like you. Smile
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^ I just changed the thread title to hopefully avoid any further confusion. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Love this one:



Excellent !
Great hauting mellotron ... hopefully far from the saturday night's fever
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


I know the thread title creates confusion, but this is supposed to be a Genesis appreciation thread in general. I was initially confused just like you. Smile

Not sure why you think I'm confused, there is tons of discussion of fGtR in this thread and it's in the title and while I was talking mostly about fGtR it was in the context of their career and my re exploration of their catalogue. First sentence doesn't mention the album and the last again zooms out again to encompass their solo careers. Also make the case that fGtR is important to their work as a whole because of it's formative nature for the band, my "Genesis of Genesis" comment. I do see it as a prelude to their Gabriel era rather than part of the main body. 
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Originally posted by Borris Borris wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I know the thread title creates confusion, but this is supposed to be a Genesis appreciation thread in general. I was initially confused just like you. Smile

Not sure why you think I'm confused, there is tons of discussion of fGtR in this thread and it's in the title and while I was talking mostly about fGtR it was in the context of their career and my re exploration of their catalogue. First sentence doesn't mention the album and the last again zooms out again to encompass their solo careers. Also make the case that fGtR is important to their work as a whole because of it's formative nature for the band, my "Genesis of Genesis" comment. I do see it as a prelude to their Gabriel era rather than part of the main body. 

OK, my bad, so i was confused. LOL
Some people disconsider this album totally, like it didn't exist. They say trespass is the first REAL Genesis album. I've always liked it, especially for young Gabriel's performance. Smile


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