Your Prog Rock Hot Takes

There's a theory that no such thing as progressive rock exists... I could hardly see it as valid but one can also understand where it comes from, given that most of the classic bands of the late 60s/early 70s refused completely this tag and were never really referred to as progressive rock but rather as classic rock, art rock, and the like. What is the forum members' take on this? Is "progressive rock" a term coined by music critics/journalists in order to pigeonhole a group of bands that were to unusual to classify? And not only this but there has definitely been a change in how we use it today, and the type of bands we refer to as progressive rock (and the things we tend to call "proggy", this particular technical and twiddly sounds that reminds us of Yes of ELP's most frantic instrumental compositions)...

Cristi wrote: Starshiper wrote: "Tormato"—a testament to Yes' willingness to push boundaries, an album that acknowledges the rather eclectic taste of its admirers, was alienating their wider audience—is certainly not a record for everyone. For the uninitiated or the casual Yes listeners, "Tormato" really can feel like if they are attending a long cricket match. So whoever does not like Tormato is "Uninitiated" or just a "casual listener"?!  I am neither and I've thought much of this album. And i have tried to get into it, believe that.  I also don't think they were trying to push boundaries when story goes they were pressured to make a new album rather quickly after the success of GTFO. So Tormato was basically a contractual obligation.

One can't really talk about "Tormato" without mentioning the rather important role the then-new synthesisers played in the making of the album. The late 1970s were a time of fast-growing interest in electronic instruments, and Yes was among the forerunners within this trend. Synthesisers allowed a wider range of tones, which allowed the band to experiment with textures and instrumentation. The synthesiser's usage on "Tormato" represents a significant leap for Yes into new sounds. Wakeman had modified his keyboard setup to include the Birotron, a tape replay keyboard that he had co-funded during its creation and production four years prior, and the Polymoog, a polyphonic analogue synthesiser that he said was mostly used for "soloing and filling," and all of it works majestically on "Tormato," the album whose only real flaw is (again) a non-Roger Dean sleeve design.
Personally, I always imagined flying saucers playing music like "Arriving UFO," a track that was/is repeatedly bashed by those with limited understanding of British and European progressive music. Not only did this predict the neo-prog trends that were yet to come in the 1980s, but it also further emphasised how Yes was committed to innovation. It showed that Yes could adopt modernity while furthering their artistic boundaries. Also often bashed, "Circus of Heaven" is indeed an original song that produced a fanciful ambient rock tapestry.
Unlike the previous "Going for the One" album, which sounds very serious and classic, "Tormato" allows the band to have more fun with melodies.
Steve Howe's guitar sounds like a forerunner to Mike Oldfield on his '80s records; however, it's better guitar work than the 80s Oldfield.
Alan White shines as well. He is most known for his solo in "Release, Release," but his drumming in "On the Silent Wings of Freedom" is truly outstanding. As that song begins in a triumphant manner, Chris Squire dominates with his octave-length slides and extracts a fairly distinctive tone from his bass. In "On the Silent Wings of Freedom," one of the greatest Yessongs, Squire's bass roars and spits like a thunderstorm.

I think the only thing interesting on Tormato was Squire's Mu-Tron III pedal effects on his bass. It was a pretty neat effect. The Biro-tron and Polymoog were kind of flops and could have been used better than they were. Offord also didn't do a good job on the production work. The album certainly has its moments, but it could have been so much better. A couple songs could have been replaced by extending some of the better tracks.

I have always loved 'Tormato', and I think the cover artwork is fantastic. 

Chocolate Kings is PFM's greatest album

Edited by David_D - November 26 2024 at 11:26

verslibre wrote: presdoug wrote: Chocolate Kings is PFM's greatest album Still peak PFM, so that's not a hot take.

MEAT is the best song Manfred Mann ever did.  

ObeisantBread84PROG wrote: My Hot takes: Atom Heart Mother > Echoes No Lizard (the king crimson album) kind of sucks in my opinion No Styx is super underrated Overrated Jazz Fusion is the most boring type of jazz, Would much rather listen to Jazz-Rock, Hard Bop, smooth jazz, or Swing Some Days I agree Dark Side of the Moon and In the Court of the Crimson King are NOT overrated, they are some of the best albums ever made Agree Going for the one is the weakest of the original 11 yes albums Yes!! Fragile > Close to the edge No Aqualung > Thick as a Brick Yes Ian Anderson is one of the best lyricists in all of prog Agree Good Prog music still exists today Seldom but yeah Mannfred Mann is great He sure is LONG SEASON is a prog song No wiser am I Days Of future Passed is the best album ever made No Mirage is slightly overrated: Agree

ObeisantBread84PROG wrote: My Hot takes: Ian Anderson is one of the best lyricists in all of prog