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Well, this is the generic problem with collaborations. :-) 

The sad fact is that a lot of "musicians" out there... aren't. You get tied in to doing a collaborative piece with someone who can't play bass, can't keep time on drums, or has no imagination. I've done collaborative tracks with people who just add one repeating bassline throughout a five minute piece - same four bars over and over again - or just take a track, add some kind of totally inappropriate distortion filter to it and viola ! - that's their contribution. 

Then you have two options - either to say "Well, thanks very much" or "To be honest, I can't use that." Politeness means you end up using it in most cases. 

I'm a multi instrumentalist. Jack of all trades, master of none. Part of the reason I play so many instruments is that it's difficult to find other people who - really - think along the same lines that I do. Music works properly when you're all thinking along the same lines. This used to be possible when (I'm thinking 1970's) there were a lot of skilled and creative musicians around, but the bar has got lower and lower and it's very rare to find someone who can actually *play* nowadays. By *play* I mean actually improvise, come up with ideas and execute them to a high standard. When you've got that, the whole band bounces off each other and you create something special. Life is too short to just produce crap. 

Referring back to "talking shop" - whilst this thread has been going on, a friend of mine has released six full albums. All very good stuff. All of them have been solo efforts. 

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Well, this is the generic problem with collaborations. :-) 

The sad fact is that a lot of "musicians" out there... aren't. You get tied in to doing a collaborative piece with someone who can't play bass, can't keep time on drums, or has no imagination. 
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Hi,

Interesting, and I, honestly, think that a lot of the things being released and considered "progrock" are somewhat in that vein, at least in that they are formatted exactly the same as many others, and the breaks are pretty much in the same spots. 

Side Note: In my days as a director in theater, one of my greatest achievements, was not intentional at all ... I ended up working with actors that were not experienced, and got magnificent results out of it, and a professor asked me what I did ... nothing really ... we just rehearsed and improvised a lot, in order for the youngsters to learn how to move with their words ... something that is a problem for many actors ... they pause, pose and deliver ... gosh ... 100 years old acting!!!

All I did, was help accentuate their doing to make it smoother and cleaner ... and so that it was CLEAR ... and that made a difference. The more experienced actors were not fun ... they were set on their chops and would not take directions ... for example ... it would be pause, pose ... BOOM IT LOUD for attention! And sometimes, it was out of character and touch of the whole thing ... but it suggested that this more experienced person was in it for the attention, not the play, or in this case the music!

Side Note 2: One of the details in the first Coffee House Band thing, was that it started out with an incredible well done and pretty keyboard part ... and it was NEVER used again the whole song, though it showed up very low in the background towards the end.  From a "story" perspective, this is bad ... you give someone an idea/visual, and immediately you take it away and you expect the audience to stay with you? It's hard enough to get the "attention" ... but to throw it away because the singer wants to sing it right here, or the guitar wants to start right here (and in this case drop the keyboards!) ... there were some nice things in the piece, and it wasn't bad, but from a presentational ability, it did something that it dumped ... what's the point? ... 


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Dave ... I'm gonna work on a small VISUAL piece ... and will post it here ... I might even film it with my small video camera if it develops good enough. Let's see if this helps a start ... however I can see a problem already .. if I go outside, I already do not see a loud guitar part ... though some crows bark a lot in the morning. Let's see if I can do this ... it is VERY backwards from the way I work, which is 100% intuitive and not influenced by anything else but what is with it at that very second. It has its own "continuity", story wise, for lack of a better word.
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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Well, this is the generic problem with collaborations. :-) 

The sad fact is that a lot of "musicians" out there... aren't. You get tied in to doing a collaborative piece with someone who can't play bass, can't keep time on drums, or has no imagination. I've done collaborative tracks with people who just add one repeating bassline throughout a five minute piece - same four bars over and over again - or just take a track, add some kind of totally inappropriate distortion filter to it and viola ! - that's their contribution. 

Then you have two options - either to say "Well, thanks very much" or "To be honest, I can't use that." Politeness means you end up using it in most cases. 

I'm a multi instrumentalist. Jack of all trades, master of none. Part of the reason I play so many instruments is that it's difficult to find other people who - really - think along the same lines that I do. Music works properly when you're all thinking along the same lines. This used to be possible when (I'm thinking 1970's) there were a lot of skilled and creative musicians around, but the bar has got lower and lower and it's very rare to find someone who can actually *play* nowadays. By *play* I mean actually improvise, come up with ideas and execute them to a high standard. When you've got that, the whole band bounces off each other and you create something special. Life is too short to just produce crap. 

Referring back to "talking shop" - whilst this thread has been going on, a friend of mine has released six full albums. All very good stuff. All of them have been solo efforts. 
Hi Dave, of course I'm one of them. If i were a real musician I wouldn't waste my time in writing reviews instead of on playing and writing. Despite having refused a contract with a label whan I was seventeen because I couldn't actually move to Milan having to do the final exam for my last year of secondary school. I have recently sold the music for a song to a lyricist and some crazy people has bought some of my so-called "albums" on Bandcamp. 
Music hasn't to be necessarily professional. You can play tennis (I don't) without being Sinner or Alcaraz. 
You are rigth about a point: a professioanl musician can't waste time with people like me. For this reason I've given up to a collaboration proposal by Claudio Milano, as I don't think I'm good enough to collaborate with a real artist.

But if one of us unprofessionals makes by coincidence a good chord progression, a professional musician may rework it. This is what some producers do.

So, without pretending to be an artist, I offer my stuff to anybody wants to spend some time on it, and I don't care about the copyright. I don't like what the lyricist has done with my song in terms of lyrics, but the rework and the production are fine, so I'm happy even if it doesn't reflect at all what I was meaning when I wrote it.

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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

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Hi Dave, of course I'm one of them. 
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Hi,

As much as some folks think that I am way too high minded and tend to stand up to an impossible standard for most folks ... I find this ... REALLY SAD ... and I'll explain.

Our house in Santa Barbara had a library of Portuguese, Spanish and Brazilian Literature (most of it in Lisbon now!!!) ... and those 3 probably were about 20/25k worth of listings ... at the time dad passed away, the Graduate students in the Portuguese/Spanish Department, were helping document/index a bunch stuff ... that was in the library ... but was not known or listed before ... I can not tell you how many but I once heard it mentioned that it was in the neighborhood of 2 to 3K listings.

At the time, I was reading Castaneda, and don Juan made a comment about Carlos PHD work, and it said ... "you know what Mexicans do with paper ... " something I have always disliked and found horrendous and is something I always remember here on PA when some folks trash stuff senselessly ... I might joke about RW or someone else ... but not ever put them down for their work!

Thus, my thoughts are that anyone thinking they can not get any inspiration from a 4 year old just putting and having fun hitting the keyboard, or watching a 3 year old hit some cans with sticks in Harlem ... as bad musicians, and someone that has o imagination at all ... and this is one of the greatest secrets of "improvisation" ... you have to let go of all you know and play the child, and enjoy the experience ... your comment makes me think that most folks, even DaveSax, can not enjoy that or take anything from it and help it, or improve it ... THAT WOULD BE SAD! You gonna help that child develop his/her musical sensibilities or are you gonna take them out of that child? Be careful with your answer!!!!! (City of Lost Children story/movie!!!) ... that means that this overgrown child here is out of the equation ... that's OK ... no harm, no foul, and besides, there is no money in it for me!!! (!!! Wink)

Dave is "independent" in his work, probably because of his technical knowledge, and I think that he wants to expand his ability a bit more than just the technical side of things ... (my thoughts more or less on this!!!) ... but I can understand him stating what he did ... he's gonna see a lot of really bad and probably poor comments about things ... but I am not sure that this can be done without all the "bad" stuff around it and maybe he should decide ahead of time which folks he wants to do this with instead of a wide open idea and as many fish on the sea.

This was a problem in my experience with The Coffee House Band ... a couple of them said ... you're not a musician, you wouldn't know ... and I still translate that as ... you're not a member of our club and we don't need.use your comments! I wasn't offended, but it was obvious that a sort of "director" or "george martin" was not what they wanted to help develop the piece into a better, stronger composition, that just merely another rock song no one was going to give a cahoot about, which is how they treated it ... a fun time, and they did not care about anything else!

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

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If i were a real musician I wouldn't waste my time in writing reviews instead of on playing and writing. 
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I was thinking that you might have stated ... you wouldn't have the time. Between family and then your work, the spare minutes will probably be spent taking the child and wife out for a walk! Not to mention that you might have to work 40 hours weekly to put food on the table for the family!


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This is more or less what I do. I do my hobbies in the late evening, when other peoples whatches TV. I try to avoid subtracting time to my family.
So I don't have much time to "waste". I have read (and had some passion for) Young Carlos, too, so I think I get your point. 
I admire Dave's work, but I see no sense in starting a "collaborative hobbyist" thread separated from this one.
I started playing guitar when I was 10, writing songs at 15, doing gigs at 18 when I finally realized that I wasn't good enough for a career, so I gota job, brought my guitar at home and I continued doing stuff at home on my own for some decades. 
During the lockdown a bassist known on Linkedin told me about DAWs. I didn't know anything about them, so I restarted making stuff without pretending to sell anything, just for fun and instrumentals only. 
Not heving enough time I didn't care about production, quality of sound, errors and so on. I simply do it. Bandcamp is mainly my backup device. The last time I've posted something on Bandcamp was in January, then I've been too busy with "real " life.

I don't even think to be a reviewer. I just write my listening experiences without worrying about who reads them or not. I just try to avoid being too enthusiastic or too negative because somebody's work and/or somebody's money may be potentially affected by what I write.
 
That's all. I have a passion for music and I do what I can. Inspiration can come from everything, even the noise of a car that brakes. In general I improvise on an instrument. It can be guitar, bass, piano, synth and unfortunately not drums. If I occasionally do someting that I like, I record the first track, then I add other instruments. Nothing more than this.

I'm so shy that neither my wife has ever listened to my stuff. I use a nickname on Bandcamp and very few people knows it. I've disclosed it only here on PA because I've realized that other guys do stuff like I do. 

So if Dave is sad about people pretending to be musicians he's just looking in the wrong direction. At least myself, I'm not pretending to be one. I'd like to share this passion with other "practitioners" here, and see if anything comes out.

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Hi,

I'm a bit tougher to explain, in that I came from a literary family, and have a very educated/academic style of look at things, which I can not help at all ... it's there! I tried learning the bass, and still have it, though I have had to switch hands due to a shorter pinky on the left hand, and have a midi board (which I have not exactly learned) and various VST's I goof around with on my favorite sounds, which (of course!!!) I can never find ... I'm not gonna find the smooth textures that Tangerine Dream has created which go through 100 details before you hear it!

Not having had the financial ability to learn more music, I turned to theater and film. I could not do film because my English stunk (came to the USA at 15) but I ended up in theater and did really well ... well, the language issue kinda stopped the acting quickly, and I concentrated on directing ... which I was already fond of in FILM ... the world over.

My major was Directing in Theater, even though UCSB grossly cheated me, and a year later sent me a piece of paper that simply said BA, not BFA ... bunch of crooks and losers anyway ... they did not like that my dad was the Chairman of a Department in the same University and was getting upper level seminars at Stanford and UCLA ... and they always made it look like I was not good enough. With one exception ... the best professor was English and he had come from the 50's theater stuff and Dr. Harrop knew right away that I liked those folks as I mentioned it in film directors who had taken so many actors off the stage.

The surprise, for many, was that only one of their directors got my attention ... Peter Brook ... and he ended up doing some insane things, like create an experimental school in Paris ... that had different folks from different places from all over the world ... they could not exactly communicate together, but ... somehow, I don't think you will find that an issue in THE MAHABHARATTA .... at all ... but his opus for me was Marat/Sade, the most explosive of plays ... and I figured out that those actors did what they did because of the free form efforts and improvisations ... you can NOT by any stretch of the imagination detail at least 50 different characters in the play, as tight and strong as the play ... see the film, sure, but turn off the screen and JUST LISTEN ... and there was my clue to it all ... the words were driving it all, but how to bring them alive is the trick ... and I succeeded magnificently in directing my last 3 pieces of work because of it, even trying some "psychic" exercises one time, which ended up being the thing many wanted to try! And the last piece I did, I got a massive review from the local newspaper guy who did all theater and he disliked UCSB because it was too pompous and too fake for him .... when that review was read, at least a couple of professors immediately said that the reviewer was a jerk ... but the only thing I did in directing that piece was ... showing the dog his character ... we went during lunch and walked around campus ... yep .. I want that ... yep ... that too ... ohh we definitely have to have that ... and guess what ... it all came alive and exploded on the stage and a lot of folks loved it, including that reviewer that compared the character of the dog to some characters in Santa Barbara theater scene going back almost 10 years ... 

But for me, it was over ... I did not want to fight the worst side of mankind in my imagination. I did not want to be near them at all ... and I turned to writing, the "internal" side that I knew I had a knack for, and used while directing and helping the actors do their work smoother. And I wrote a lot of poetry (90's ... with the Ygdrasil Journal of Poetic Arts, with 30 years of monthly issues and I edited several ... and then ended up writing several short stories and a couple of novels I'm still working on.

Music, however, was the woman that never left me ... I never married, and lived for the music! I (probably) would rather select some of the music than choose any woman I spent time with, except one, and one of my Improvisation works is dedicated to her, although I doubt she will ever see it, or understand the depth of how much I cared for her ... it was a glorious 2 years, that ended sadly ... as she was not able to continue with the acting at UCSB by not having passed the tough standards to make it to the exclusive upper level class where, really, only 20% of the folks trying out had a chance to get there!

My studies, though, "continued" ... I never forgot my schooling, and what I learned ... and still work with it time and again, and say something here or there in a thread or two ... but sadly, in my experience, musicians are the toughest to spend time learning the notes and details of the chords ... to them it's all mechanics, and many still don't know you can play the C note on your guitar at least 100 different ways ... and all I get, sometimes, is ... it's not rock'n'roll ... which in some ways, I tend to think that it spells out how much and how far some of those folks really want to go with their instrument and music ... it's NOT all about the practice, although sometimes you have to prepare for it, but a lot more about how it feels to you and how you can express it ...and of course, in the commercialized area that is a ticket to dropping you off the bridge and out of the music ... no one wants to play with you ... but it takes imagination to hear Keith Michell deliver one portion some 200/300 times in several years, and Peter Brook that he never found him saying it the same way ... and that is TOUCH and FEEL about the time and place ... and if all you know is "rock'n'roll", I don't think you can learn a whole lot more ... maybe another trick, so that now you have a few more chops in your tank!

Can a musician do that? YES ... but it has to be in character and touch with the piece, and that is about something Robert Fripp mentions about the band ... you tune to each other, and reply, not to the scale ... though I'm sure that this is 2 different things ... he's talking about the communication within the band ... they have to be tuned to each other, not wait for one guy to finish his 4 notes, and now you have the moment kind of thing ... it's very different and something that is very hard to teach, because everyone comes expecting something that sounds like the commercial sound ... not what would be considered the sound of "themselves" in pure reality.

In this sense what Dave wants to do is not going to be easy, but it will only be tough if there are too many no's and not enough ... let's at it, and have fun with it ... even if we end up sounding like Art Bears, or Henry Cow ... so to speak ... 

I suppose that we need to let go of "ideas" and just go with one comment, or moment in time ... and that's it ... it will develop by "itself" at that point ... and that is what creativity is all about ... not much of anything else.

Sorry ... I think I wrote too much ... hope this helps, but I think Dave is not gonna like it much ... and he is, by far, one of the few members on PA that has music that I have actually enjoyed! He probably has no idea why, but then, that is not the composer's job or concern!
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....... too much talk. ;-) 

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How to do it. 

Audtions
Master track on Google Drive, uses Reaper 7.x
Download the master track
Add another track according to simple instructions
Upload it back to Drive - with an agreed end date to make sure someone doesn't sit on it for two months.
Iterate with other musicians. 

It really is that simple. Talk does not produce results. Music is not for analysing or dissecting, it's for playing.

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Let's make it simple. 

Here's 2.30 of audio I've just recorded. It's the basic framework of a track.

https://soundcloud.com/brotherhoodofthemachine/moogery-boogery

It's very, very simple at the moment. Well, simple by my standards. 5 synths (VST at the moment) playing a number of sequences in parallel. (When I'm happy with it, I just use the MIDI data out to proper synths. This just gives you an idea. )

The album is going to be based on the Cold War, if it ever happens. 

What happens is that I produce a number of 5-10 minute sequences like this, sub render them, then glue them all together so they segue into each other. Obviously, more instruments are required - organ ? Farfisa ? String synth ? Percussion ? - so those get added as separate tracks and the whole thing gradually comes together. 

Perhaps I should write a post on here on how I create music. Anyway, it's a way which works for me. 90% of what I write gets binned, to be honest. The reason why there has to be a time limit on contributions is that assembling all the components takes a lot of time. If you're waiting a month for the bass player to get his act together, the whole thing loses impetus and the creative spark goes out. 

Here's the point. To collaborate on something like this, you have to understand how to use a DAW properly. In this case, Reaper, although they're much the same. And that's the limiting factor. I've had people asking to do vocals on tracks..... you ask then what set up they have and "they're singing into a mobile phone." 

Music composition works on instinct and not by endless talk. Idea ? Play. The whole beauty (sometimes) of a collaborative work is that it evolves with other people's ideas. And most of the time, the ideas might not be very good. But just sometimes, you hit the sweet spot. 

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I'm going to add something (now Dave talks too much ! :-) ) - the reason why most collaborative music projects fail is that most modern musicians can't improvise. 

As music has become "product", most - 99% - of musicians treat it as such. They don't actually learn to play, they learn to repeat. Most guitarists will learn tab. I've seen bands go through five bass players as they learn a tune, say, "OK, let's play it in F sharp, instead of E, for the vocalist" and the bassist looks at his shoes as he doesn't know how to transpose, let alone improvise. Move it up two frets, hammerhead. 

You can contribute meaningfully to a collaborative music project if you can hear a piece of music a few times, and then come up with ideas, have the skill to play them and the technical understanding of how to record them properly. And the time and willingness to actually do it. 

This somewhat narrows the gene pool out there. 

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Let's make it simple. 
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Music composition works on instinct and not by endless talk. Idea ? Play. The whole beauty (sometimes) of a collaborative work is that it evolves with other people's ideas. And most of the time, the ideas might not be very good. But just sometimes, you hit the sweet spot. ...
 

Hi,

In my directing days I have not failed on any work. This is not "endless talk", which sometimes I can't help thinking ... the person is not reading ... because everything is just words and not meaningful. Words have meaning, otherwise our "communication" would be worthless, or monkey talk (a la 2001, of course!!!! Get the bones and sticks!!! Put the sound under your butt!!!).

People are different. And my knack for helping folks "bring out" their intuition, has never been an issue ... and sometimes ... things might not be good ... but then ... if you are improvising/studying ... why are you making a judgement that it is not good, or hit the sweet spot? That's an evaluation AFTER THE FACT. Or it could be said that you stopped improvising, because you found a moment you liked! 

Describing the inner working is tough, very tough ... and a lot of folks, specially musicians, are not interested in their "craft" beyond their practice ... after all they know their music ... and even Robert Fripp is laughed at in his KC special when he discusses this ... he's not entirely incorrect ... but his discipline has roots in a spiritual side of things that folks are afraid to touch as far as I can see.

Collaborative work only "evolves" if the folks within are willing to share and do ... and this is one of the tough things to work on with players/actors. 

This is not saying that you don't know what you are saying at all ... I think you do ... but it's like a suggestion can not come from a child, or from Mars, or Neptune, in terms of the piece you put together, or the grouping put together. 

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

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Music composition works on instinct and not by endless talk. Idea ? Play.
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It was never suggested that talk created music ... however that's like saying writers can not talk about their work, painters can not talk about their work, and musicians can not talk about their inner work ... but the issue here, is something you might not enjoy hearing ... not all work is instinct at all!

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

I'm going to add something (now Dave talks too much ! :-) ) - the reason why most collaborative music projects fail is that most modern musicians can't improvise. 
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Possible, and I think likely, otherwise most folks would ask questions on some things I type/write, instead of bothering their imaginations of grandiosity! No one, not even God ... can say anything! Or do anything right, so to speak!

Improvisation is not easy, and something that the majority of musicians are not capable of trying enough ... in order to learn from it ... and get a better understanding of their inner side and how their ideas are developed. I think/wonder if many folks think that "improvising" means ... ohh ... yeah ... cool lick ... and stay on that for a bit ... but again, they will dry up after their 5 chops, so to speak! Improvisation is not about 5 minutes ... if you want to learn more from it, it takes at least an hour ... so after you dry up your chops, ideas and search inside yourself, you can THEN ... begin to do something that seems to go along well with the rest of the folks ... and this is where musicians quit ... they are only interested in the 5 minutes ... screw the rest ... there is no learning any more!

Improvisation, even in theater (where it is most used!!!), is an area that is not studied enough, and us seeing the 1960's results out of England in two major schools of acting, are ignored ... for it being special to that time and place ... when some of the details about it ... is just as timeless as the desire we have to show ourselves better on a stage ... or a musician, standing out for the impeccable touch ... not even about just the notes! THE TOUCH ... end up making the notes alive!


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The living
 ... 
my life twisting through the aether
and winds of earth
 ... 
take me, who knows where
 ...
to an unknown place
time
learning
...
and disappear
into a nowhere land
that you have never seen
with flaring touches
beats of hearty 
... something
... what's that sound?
...
where is it coming from?
...
where is it taking me?
... 
I don't know
...
but I follow it to somewhere
...
something imaginary
...
I have fallen
from the webs of the winds
...
what is this place?
where is this place?
how did it get here?
...

(there you go ... a little visual off the music for you!)

.... about the only suggestion at this time I would make is adding that wind/touch for the last 20/30 seconds or so, for the sake of continuity ...  and getting us to remember where/how it started ... which would make it a bit more "song" oriented, and (possibly) a better touch for outside folks that are more in tune with the commercial touch than otherwise ... I don't think that the wind/touch sounds need to be through out the whole thing but they open up the imagination to a lot more than the rest of the piece, which is less "visual" (for me!!!) than the opening. 

Maybe I can stretch my words more ... and I will listen to it a couple more times.

BTW ... that was ONE LISTEN ... for me, many times, multiple listens takes a lot of the effect out!

Nice piece ... I would not add a whole lot to it ... but maybe stretch it even more and develop it to something more extensive than just the beating heart ... so that the "visual side" of it, can flourish a bit more, than just the mechanical side of the composition.


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Mosh.... did all that talk produce one note of music ? :-) 

As for the comments, on the music = thanks, if you want to write something different, be my guest. ;-) 

This is the point. A collaborative music project involves a number of musicians writing music, rather than talking about it. It also doesn't require audience participation. That would be like trying to perform a play with the audience constantly interrupting. Nothing would ever happen. 

As this thread shows. 

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Mosh.... did all that talk produce one note of music ? :-) 
...
As this thread shows. 
...

Hi,

Whatever ... however, I did produce a note of music, but I'm not sure that you read it, or even considered it ... oh well ... life ... as you wish ... no more "notes" since you only think one kind of note .... 

Happy Holidays to you and family, btw


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Lyrics aren't music, Mosh. ;-)


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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Lyrics aren't music, Mosh. ;-)


Hi,

You have not heard enough folks reading their poetry and work to think so, I don't think! 

There are some voices, that will make you cry ... for just reading the work ... but musicians can't seem to see beyond their staff! 

There are a lot more arts out there than "your" music!
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Clown  The most tedious thread ever Clown 
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I have to absolutely agree. 

Endless waffle. Endless navel contemplation. Endless picking over insignificant detail. Posts for the sake of it. Round and round and round with absolutely nothing - not one single note produced - in years. 

This is why I walked away from PA. I came back. Nothing changed. And I'm off again - to actually write some music. This will involve one email to a friend and the rest will work itself out in under a week with minimum effort.

Utterly ridiculous. 

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I spent a week or two working on a project with Megistus from this thread. He is a fantastic guitarist - musician (much better than me) and very professional . Knows his way around DAWs & files. I wish I had the time to ‘collaborate’ more often, I don’t.    
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