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But honestly, I would've actually much prefered Triumvirat's vocal department had it been sung in native German. At least during the Helmut Köllen era. Same for Eloy. :v I have no idea why it was so embarrassing for German vocalists to sing in their mother tongue.

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

But honestly, I would've actually much prefered Triumvirat's vocal department had it been sung in native German. At least during the Helmut Köllen era. Same for Eloy. :v I have no idea why it was so embarrassing for German vocalists to sing in their mother tongue.
I believe, as has been pointed out, that it wasn't so much as being embarrassed, but in order for a group to stand a chance at being known, internationally, it was an obvious good move to sing in English. Imagine if Helmut Koellen had sung in German, only, the success Triumvirat had wouldn't have been....
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Quote Imagine if Helmut Koellen had sung in German, only, the success Triumvirat had wouldn't have been....
Triumvirat is perhaps a bit of an exception. But, Le Orme got away with Italian lyrics and that didn't handicap their chance to be successful. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And then you have "Germanic" bands like Banzaï (Flanders/Belgium), Kyrie Eleison (Austria) and Neuschwanstein (Germany). All of them featured only English language vocals. And they did not get commercially successful at all!
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

But honestly, I would've actually much preferred Triumvirat's vocal department had it been sung in native German. At least during the Helmut Köllen era. Same for Eloy. :v I have no idea why it was so embarrassing for German vocalists to sing in their mother tongue.

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I think this is a factor of the biggest place where things can sell, and that would be the United States, and then Great Britain, and both countries catered big time to the economic side of the music, something that many other countries did not do well. I suppose Italy and France are ... a bit weird in this department ... and their own languages seemed to be way more important than the English versions ... Ange never did anything in English that I can recall. I think that PFM hurt itself when it felt is had to do English so it could sell in America ... and surprise ... the imports did better when one considers all the years in between. Italy, however, had a massive history of music via opera like no one else ... so hearing things in Italian was never a surprise, but hearing them done in English was!!!

The USA, has an issue with foreign languages, and it took several artists in the 70's take that one ... remember Linda Ronstadt that went full Spanish ... and it not only sold but became well known ... she went after the Hispanic folks in the South and Southwest ... the record company was not happy, but they lost that battle when things sold ... and since then, the majority of the Latino/Hispanic folks have enjoyed a fairly good amount of sales. And, at the time, you did not hear any of them on the FM Radio, or on regular AM radio ... 

The bad attitude was visible during the Space Pirate Radio days ... but Guy had a funny way of getting people to not worry about the language issues ... it's like watching a Fellini movie without the subtitles ...  and a lot of fans enjoyed that kind of humor and then the bands being played. I don't think there was a single album, by PFM, Banco, Le Orme, Ange, AD2 (and just about all Krock folks), Granada, Mona Lisa, Sadistic Mika Band, and so many others that it would be nearly impossible for me to list ... that did a lot of their work in their own language ... and the kicker of it all was when the English version of Felona and Serona did not sell as much as the original ... which was an "import" that was really big and is still a favored album.

I think the German thing, could have roots to WW2 ... and it might have been better to leave it behind ... and of course, most of the schlagger was in German, and we know via Guru Guru ... that the new God of music was rock music, not the stuff without the feedback! That song, in TANGO FANGO is really important in its incredible levels of satire ... but it would be good for us to remember that in those days, the Short Wave Radio was massive all over Europe blasting the other side with Beatles and a lot of rock music which might have been the greatest inspiration for the younger generation being forced to eat schlagger. At that point, I imagine that German is not at all favored ... but that's just a thought.


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‘Bombs go off in the squares and these people go around singing Sweetest Mary [Dolcissima Maria]? Are you kidding me?’

With these laconic words, Area's Patrizio Fariselli not only hinted at what he thought of Pfm's new album [Isola di Niente], but also highlighted between the lines the musical divide that had been increasingly emerging since 1974: politicised experimental avant-garde on the one hand and a progressive stylistic softening on the other.

(Taken from this wonderful blog about Prog and counterculture: https://classikrock.blogspot.com/2009/09/pfm-lisola-di-niente-1974.html)

In 1974 in Italy there was a referendum in which Catholics (Christian Democrats) and neo-fascists (Social Movement) wanted to abolish the divorce law. The referendum saw the left win: divorce remained the law. 

In reaction to this (but not only to this, to a lot of things), a civil war climate broke out in Italy.

Deviated sectors of the secret services with black terrorism attempted to organise a coup d'état, which failed. They set off two bombs, one in the central square of Brescia (8 dead and a hundred injured), a town near Milan, the other on a train (12 dead and fifty injured).

For left-wing armed struggle groups, these bombs, reminiscent of those of 1969, are a sign that the fascists are trying to seize power.
We are in civil war, according to many.
From 1974 onwards, the left-wing armed struggle will move from demonstration operations with limited vioence to kidnappings and voluntary killings, i.e. political assassinations.

This is the sense of the phrase of Fariselli, the main composer of Area's music.
(In my opinion, ‘Dolcissima Maria’ is really one of the songs with lyrics and music that in Italy were only sung by the corny, cloying, hyperglycemic Sanremo festival singers such as I Ricchi e i Poveri: a real insult to left-wing prog- but Pfm was now aiming at the American market, they had betrayed Italian movementist prog)




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