Why not politics?

Politics as well as religion and even cultural differences are present in every form of art. This is, in my opinion, one of the things that makes prog and art in general, different from mainstream pop.

Yes, but you keep forgetting one crucial thing. Politics as well as religion and even cultural differences are present in every form of art EXCEPT when it reaches "social media", it becomes the source of dramas, flamewars, bigotry and frustration.

Would YES be the same if Jon wasn't a sort of newage guru?
When Jon was in Yes, he limited his new age shtick to music. He didn't go out and shout that through a megaphone to the whole world, trying to educate the masses, going into arguments with people who weren't into new age.

Would we have Animals without Roger's politics?
Animals was made before the advent of social media. I mean, look. Recently as soon as Waters got access to social media, his posts are making people angry.

What about Area, Battiato and many RPI artists?
Same case as Jon Anderson. And also that happened before the times when social media turned everybody into showmen with megaphones.

Is Neal Morse allowed to write and sing about his religious belief?
Yes. But then again. Neal Morse is doing it peacefully, and he avoids online dramas.

The artists you've mentioned above are staying away from public catch all forums, where people suddenly turn into keyboard warrior, and because forums are open to the general public, not exclusive to intelligent or at least 'civilized' musicians like Jon Anderson or Neal Morse, sooner or later, drama storms are bound to happen.

Edited by Hrychu - November 09 2024 at 23:59

Cristi wrote: Most threads about politics ended up in abuse and insults, that's why i never participate in such conversations.  If i want to talk politics, i would not choose a music site. Discovering music is the point of a site like PA.

Yeah. Exactly. This is not in the spirit of Progarchives, where the whole fricking point is to put aside politics and focus on the music. The real common ground between all these people from different generations and parts of the world.

I cringe when people bitсh about Neal's religious themes on this music oriented forum JUST AS MUCH as when people bitсh about Trump. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited by Hrychu - November 10 2024 at 00:12

Cristi wrote: Most threads about politics ended up in abuse and insults, that's why i never participate in such conversations.  If i want to talk politics, i would not choose a music site. Discovering music is the point of a site like PA.

^ I was mainly replying to Hrychu's comment. But I know that political threads tend to get closed because of abuse etc... But that doesn't affect me - or any other regular visitors who don't take part in these discussions. Some people do enjoy an online fight. I say let 'em. If things get to personal and hurtful, it makes me feel miserable. So I just focus on being a besserwisser about all things music.

But that doesn't affect me - or any other regular visitors who don't take part in these discussions.

Theoretically, that's how it should be. But due to the way human nature has developed, how people approach this sort of discussion, actively or passively, can differ significantly from person to person. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^and is that an actual argument for not allowing these kinds of discussions? Regardless of human nature everyone has to take responsibility for themselves. I suppose I "can't take the heat" (I'm not really among the most political beings either), so I "protect myself" by staying away.

You are smart and I appreciate it. But, a lot of folk are much less chill about this stuff. And that creates more potential for dramas on this forum, thus, more clean up work for the moderation to do.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^and is that an actual argument for not allowing these kinds of discussions? Regardless of human nature everyone has to take responsibility for themselves. I suppose I "can't take the heat" (I'm not really among the most political beings either), so I "protect myself" by staying away.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^No not everyone takes this responsibility. But if "you" can't take heat and still don't manage to stay away - that's "your" problem. Not something we should make a set of rules for everyone else to follow. We have to make rules for ourselves to follow instead. I don't care if they get closed. Maybe they had five or six pages of good discussion before that half a page of abuse occurred. And maybe it was worth it for the ones involved. Why should that be any of my business? Or yours?

Cristi wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: ^No not everyone takes this responsibility. But if "you" can't take heat and still don't manage to stay away - that's "your" problem. Not something we should make a set of rules for everyone else to follow. We have to make rules for ourselves to follow instead. I don't care if they get closed. Maybe they had five or six pages of good discussion before that half a page of abuse occurred. And maybe it was worth it for the ones involved. Why should that be any of my business? Or yours? If people have fun with bickering and trolling, good for them. Not my thing.  The decision not to have such threads for a while seems reasonable for me. Why do people want more of that thing makes less sense to me though.

People are differnt from you - and me. And besides you only focus on the negative parts. My impression is that it's less about genuine trolling and more about hotheaded members losing control of themselves. Maybe it's healthier for some to blow off some steam here among frenemies than to walk around with all this anger inside.