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Why didn't I think to a poll instead of a thread this morning?

Prog Related is another divisive argument, also because the kind of "relationship" is not clearly defined. One of the site rules says that in order to be considered "prog" an artist must have at least one full prog release. 

So why is Vangelis in prog related and Lucio Battisti, currently on the home page, in RPI? 
Answer: because it mainly depends on who is in the evaluation teams at the time. 

Anyway, one of my collector's goals is to have at least one album from every remote site of the world, and Greenland is currently missing from my collection even if not formally a Nation.
I'll look for Sume
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Quote ^ i would actually prefer this site ditched the prog related category altogether myself
I know! Make a poll and if people vote "yes", just do it and remove that category.
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^ i would actually prefer this site ditched the prog related category altogether myself

IF Sume was to be on this site at all then prog related is the only possible place i could imagine it

Cultural relevance has NOTHING to do with progressive :D

This site is annoying and glitchy.

To be honest the site probably won't be around much longer without an upgrade so new bands are becoming less relevant.

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Quote Sume didn't write a song like "Bohemian Rhapsody" or make an album like "Queen II."
I've read that to Greenladic people, Sume's 1977 album is just as significant as Queen II is to the 1st World Commonwealth sphere.
Quote Sume didn't create inventive collaborations with Brian Eno like David Bowie.
However, they created inventive collaborations with Stig Kreutzfeldt.

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Sume didn't write a song like "Bohemian Rhapsody" or make an album like "Queen II."
Sume didn't create inventive collaborations with Brian Eno like David Bowie.
Sume didn't write inventive compositions that were unorthodox like Black Sabbath.
Sume basically wrote folk rock music with lyrics in the Inuit language.
I do like the self-titled album and find it quite pleasant but prog it ain't.

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Quote well they were formed in Denmark NOT Greenland. Also Greenland is NOT a country but rather a territory of Denmark like the Faroe Islands which DOES have real prog.
If only ordinary people could nominate bands for "Prog Related". I think Sume is as much of a prog formation as David Bowie, Queen, Black Sabbath et al.
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^ well they were formed in Denmark NOT Greenland. Also Greenland is NOT a country but rather a territory of Denmark like the Faroe Islands which DOES have real prog.

Sorry but i'm the most liberal voter of inclusiveness but there is ZERO prog in their sound

I don't think they even warrant a prog related tag

The band is on RYM so everyone can go there to find them!

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I just replied to a private message I received about Sumé, and I'm going to copy what I wrote in that reply here:

Yes, it's a difficult one.

I guess the band isn't really progressive when compared to bands from other countries who played this type of music in the early to mid seventies, but Greenland was playing 'catch up' at the time and in his review on RYM of the sole album of the band Ulo, which the ex-Sumé guitarist Kâle (or Karl) Sivertsen started up a few years after Sumé disbanded, a collaborator who has researched the topic of Greenlandic music in some depth says this: "As far as the rock and pop scene goes, it didn’t get started until 1973 when the band Sumé released their debut 'Sumut' which was a semi-progressive folk rock album that paved the way for a few others to follow".

A review of the Sumé debut album 'Sumut' itself on RYM says this: "This album is stuck between the pop of the early-to-mid 60s, with twee sounds and everything very happy, and the prog rock and hard rock that had been emerging in the later end of the 60s".

Another review of that album on RYM says this (translated from the French language): "There is no Greenlandic equivalent to Genesis, King Crimson or Van der Graaf Generator... I know, it's terrible news, but that's how it is. In fact, apart from Pivfît nutât , Erĸasûteĸarneĸet and maybe Erĸigsineĸ sapĩnarama and Imigagssaĸ , which are fairly acceptable tracks compared to the rest of the world's progressive production, the rest of this first album by our Beatles of the ice floes is of extremely limited interest and musically it's still very, very folk..."

However, the history books tell the story of how the first rock album in Greenlandic was a prog album that was purchased by one third of the entire country, and another review of that debut album on RYM says this: "In terms of accomplishment, Sume can only be compared to the Beatles (albeit on a regional, instead of world level). They perfectly captured the spirit of their people, and then propelled their people onto someplace new, someplace that was always lurking, but never yet expressed. They achieved what every (artistically relevant) band dreams about. And they made it seem so easy!"

Finally, in a fourth review of the album on RYM we get this: "There's very little music that sounds exactly like this, so if novelty is what you're looking for (which is probably true if you're reading this), then give it a shot. But give it a couple spins first, allow it to sink in, and you'll find there's much more than novelty here."

Mixed opinions there, but the band seems to be quite widely tagged as progressive, they're included on the other major prog database site out there (Proggnosis), and they were certainly musical pioneers of the time in a country which currently doesn't have an entry on PA.

Taking this into account, I personally think they do belong here if we truly intend to be 'the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource', despite the reservations expressed by several of our SCs about the progressiveness of their music.

Maybe we need to create a new cool sub genre of 'Eskimo Prog' and just shove them in there lol! LOL
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

So, any updates, guys?

It's not even been decided which team should look into this band. Unless this is done soon, this will linger  aimlessly. 

(This always happens with "this genre or this genre" suggestions)


I had suggested in the thread title five years ago that it should either be Psych or Heavy

TBH, I lost sight of this thread, but I still support it.

This band has been in suggestion hell because it's undecided who should look into them. 
I think the PSIKE team is looking into them right now. We'll see what will happen. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

So, any updates, guys?

It's not even been decided which team should look into this band. Unless this is done soon, this will linger  aimlessly. 

(This always happens with "this genre or this genre" suggestions)


I had suggested in the thread title five years ago that it should either be Psych or Heavy

TBH, I lost sight of this thread, but I still support it.
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Honestly i don't hear any prog in them. I voted no

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^ Thanks for this link. All three Sumé albums are available in that YouTube channel, plus an 18-track compilation album released in 1988.

These playlists weren't available a fortnight ago, so it looks like this rather obscure band from the seventies, from a country not really noted for having any links to prog, has suddenly become a focus of attention. They're all on Spotify now too, and certainly weren't when I last checked.

The other psych/folk band that arose in Greenland a few years after Sumé folded - led by ex-Sumé guitarist Kâle (or Karl) Sivertsen and called Ulo (not connected in any way with the record label of that name) - has also had its own dedicated YouTube channel set up over the past week or so. They released just one album of music in a similar vein to that of Sumé called 'Sinnattoraangama Takusarpagit' in 1981.

Anyhow, the evaluation of Sumé has now begun in Psych/Space, with one quite definitive 'no' vote cast so far, so it's not looking very promising for them lol!
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Self-titled album SUME from 1976




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^ I added Sumé (or Sume - I'm not really sure which is correct) to Awesome Prog and posted the suggestion in the PSIKE team thread as a starting point a fortnight ago - with the promise of providing a biography if the band was accepted in any sub. There has been no response from that team as yet though.

Psych/space would definitely be the most suitable sub for this band imho. I don't personally think that their output could be considered as Heavy Prog, and of course if PSIKE don't want them then there's always 'Leftover Prog' lol!

I think that the band definitely belongs here somewhere.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I'd say: throw it into the "Crossover Prog" pool for now. And see what happens.

I haven't had the time to listen to thew band yet, I will ask David (yam yam) if crossover is a good fit. 
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I'd say: throw it into the "Crossover Prog" pool for now. And see what happens.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

So, any updates, guys?

It's not even been decided which team should look into this band. Unless this is done soon, this will linger  aimlessly. 

(This always happens with "this genre or this genre" suggestions)


Edited by Cristi - November 09 2024 at 08:00
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So, any updates, guys?
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

^ That makes sense. It says on the sleeve (in Danish): "Recorded at: Sweet Silence Studio June / July 1976", and on the disc itself we have: "Made in Denmark ℗ 1977 ULO-1-B". The thing that made me uncertain was that their guitarist Per Berthelsen said in an extensive interview he did for 'It's Psychedelic Baby' magazine in May of this year: "Our third album, 'ULO 1,' released in 1976 in Greenland by ULO, was a significant milestone for us." Maybe it was released locally in Greenland in 1976 first, and then Worldwide in 1977?
My guess is that the guitarist simply made a mistake. That happens.

On the other hand, record mastering and pressing back in the day was a much quicker process, so the record could technically be finalized and even pre-distributed by the end of 1976.

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^ That makes sense. It says on the sleeve (in Danish): "Recorded at: Sweet Silence Studio June / July 1976", and on the disc itself we have: "Made in Denmark ℗ 1977 ULO-1-B". The thing that made me uncertain was that their guitarist Per Berthelsen said in an extensive interview he did for 'It's Psychedelic Baby' magazine in May of this year: "Our third album, 'ULO 1,' released in 1976 in Greenland by ULO, was a significant milestone for us." Maybe it was released locally in Greenland in 1976 first, and then Worldwide in 1977?
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