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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

There are currently 228 album entries with the word "FLAC" within the Releases information field. That's a lot. I think we should look at them from newest to oldest, because nowadays FLAC is pretty much synonymous with digital album, but back in the days FLAC really meant FLAC (before digital platforms such as Spotify, Youtube music, etc.) Hope I make sense?

Anyway, here are the 115 ones added by TCat, which are all pretty recent (2019+) :

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63501
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63502
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63503
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63504
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69721
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=70904

Should I update them automatically? What would be the right thing to do?

Crikey, that's a fair few albums again then. Shocked

We purged the site of most of these somewhat misleading lines back in January 2021 after Jose went on his mad spree adding "FLAC download - bandcamp.com" to around 3000 albums. We replaced the 'FLAC download' bit with 'Digital album' to begin with if I remember correctly, and then did away with the Bandcamp reference altogether, since many albums are available digitally via several different platforms, not just Bandcamp.

It looks from a quick glance at a few in that list that TCat has copied his FLAC lines from the Discogs pages for these albums - and not all of them will be available on Bandcamp, though they may be available from other digital music sources.

I think we will therefore probably have to look at all these on a case by case basis rather than wiping them all automatically with the script. The ones that are available from sources other than the one mentioned in the releases section by TCat should just say the usual 'Digital album' imho, but any that seem to be only available from that one single source should stay as they are.

I think that's going to be a lot of work to do all at once, so the alternative is to just accept the situation as it is for now and just work through the lists gradually when time permits. We're never going to be able to stop members of the site adding similar lines in the Releases Information of the albums that they add in the future in any case, meaning that there will always be a few of these FLAC lines knocking about on the site no matter how many times we try to purge them.

At least what TCat has written is taken from a reliable source - it's not the same as Jose's previous misleading entries suggesting that Bandcamp downloads were only available as FLAC, which was the initial problem we had.

And yes, I think it does make sense to look at them from newest to oldest - starting with TCat's list.
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=85441

1. Cannibal (5:03)
2. Break My Lying Tongue (3:50)
3. We Will Not Disband (4:25)
4. Glass Mannequin (3:49)
5. Bleed Out (6:05)
6. Paper Wolf (4:27)
7. I Don't Know How We Got Here (3:33)
8. Hollow Kid (4:41)
9. Tray (5:04)

Total Time 40:56
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=87260

1. Majestic Whales (6:38)
2. Les mots que tu ne dis pas (6:13)
3. Limbo of the Rootless (8:06)
4. Atonement of a Former Sailor Turned Painter: (21:05)
I) Guadeloupe
II) Port of Spain
III) Shango Orishas
IV) The Floating Painter's Palette
V) Chanson a la lune
VI) Port-Au-Prince
VII) Niet Vergeten!
VIII) Self-Portrait for Two
5. Zena* (3:13)

Total Time 45:29

*CD only Bonus Track

- Guillermo Gonzales / vocals, lyrics
- David Cremoni / electric guitars, 6 & 12 strings acoustic guitars
- Cristiano Roversi / organ, piano, mellotron, keyboards, bass pedals, additional instruments
- Manuela Milanese / vocals
- Marco Croci / bass
- Maurizio del Tollo / drums & percussion

With:
- Roine Stolt / electric guitar (1)
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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

There are currently 228 album entries with the word "FLAC" within the Releases information field. That's a lot. I think we should look at them from newest to oldest, because nowadays FLAC is pretty much synonymous with digital album, but back in the days FLAC really meant FLAC (before digital platforms such as Spotify, Youtube music, etc.) Hope I make sense?
Yes, strictly speaking, FLAC is not a synonymous with digital album. The kind of digital album (mp3, wav, FLAC, Hi-Res etc) is important to many of those who listen/download digital releases. But it's beyond our abilities to point out exact kind of each release. If TCat adds this info, it's up to him.

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Anyway, here are the 115 ones added by TCat, which are all pretty recent (2019+)
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Should I update them automatically? What would be the right thing to do?
My first thought was: Yes, sir, please burn all the witches! Fight fire with fire! Smile
But than I looked at some TCat's additions and read this:
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

I think that's going to be a lot of work to do all at once, so the alternative is to just accept the situation as it is for now and just work through the lists gradually when time permits. We're never going to be able to stop members of the site adding similar lines in the Releases Information of the albums that they add in the future in any case, meaning that there will always be a few of these FLAC lines knocking about on the site no matter how many times we try to purge them.

At least what TCat has written is taken from a reliable source - it's not the same as Jose's previous misleading entries suggesting that Bandcamp downloads were only available as FLAC, which was the initial problem we had.

I think to just accept the situation as it is would be the best and simplest solution.
No matter, are digital albums available now as TCat described them or not. If once they were available, that's it!
It's similar to out of print CDs (LPs, DVDs and other physical formats) - we don't track them all and don't add "SOLD OUT!" in the Releases info. Smile


Edited by NotAProghead - November 01 2024 at 18:48
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Why are the compilations of unreleased Frank Zappa material put together by Joe Travers (Joe's ---age) listed as "Studio Album" and not "Boxset/Compilation"?
Joe's Domage
Joe's Corsage
Joe's Xmasage
Joe's Camouflage

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Oceana Company - For The Boatman: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=23171 - Just needs some info adding to the Releases Information section.


You can add as much or as little that you feel is appropriate from this:

Music composed by Oceana Company
Lyrics by Matthijs Herder
Recorded at Popcollectief, Oss.
Additional guitars recorded at Torture Garden, Oss.
Recorded & Mixed by Marcel v/d Vondervoort
Produced by Marcel v/d Vondervoort & Oceana Company
Mastered by Maarten van Helden, Tubefreak Mastering
Photography, artwork & design by Peter Boorsma

CD Space Jam Records - SRCD006 (2008, Benelux)
Digital album November 1st 2008

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done.


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Fleesh - Live at CaRIOca ProgFestival: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=74991 - we now have full line up details, plus some other info.

Extra info available via several videos on the Fleesh official YouTube channel, eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWIkjhJ4WI.

I added the DVD as a separate release here (though I couldn't find a particularly brilliant image of the cover), so this one is now just a digital album (no CD was released as far as I'm aware).

- Celo Oliveira / guitar, acoustic guitar
- Gabby Vessoni / vocals

With:
- Léo Peccatu / drums
- Rodrigo Zacconi / bass

Recorded live at the Carioca ProgFestival 2019 at the Centro Cultural Justiça Federal, Rio De Janeiro, Brazil on 22nd October 2019

Recorded by BeProg
Produced by BeProg & Vértice Cultural (Cláudio Paula, Mariana Carvalho and Gabi Freire)
Sound engineering by Pedro Corrêa (Pedrinho)
Sound mixing by Celo Oliveira 

Digital album 22nd November 2019

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done.
I've also edited a bit your DVD addidion (Live after each track title was excesive).
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Edit: The Fleesh 'Versions' album that we currently have in Boxsets & Compilations cannot possibly have been released in 2015. Ermm At the end of 2015 the duo had only finished recording their very first two cover versions - namely Renaissance's 'Opening Out' and Loreena Mckennitt's 'Dark Night Of The Soul'.

'Versions I' wasn't released until September 2019, and contained 30 songs. You can view it on Spotify here. It's currently missing from PA.

Versions II, III, IV, and V came later in 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024.

The 57-song 'Versions' album that we have in Boxsets & Compilations is a compilation of the first four of the original 'Versions' releases, and the tracklist is already out of date because the album as it appears on Bandcamp has been updated with tracks from 'Versions V', and now contains 78 tracks in total!

All the original 'Versions' albums have been removed from Fleesh's Bandcamp - being replaced by that one mammoth compilation, supposedly released on August 20 2015.

That is actually the date that Fleesh uploaded their very first cover song to their YouTube channel here. 'Versions V' itself wasn't released until May 31st 2024, so the 78-track compilation on Bandcamp must have been updated sometime since then.

Spotify doesn't have this mammoth 78-track 'Versions' compilation in its Fleesh discography, and I suggest that we do the same, since it's just going to keep changing as more 'Versions' albums are released in the future. The 2015 release date given is just a symbolic one which marks the date that Fleesh released their very first cover song on YouTube. Fleesh didn't even have a Bandcamp until 2019!

We need to add the 30-track 'Versions I' album that's currently missing from PA and consign this ever-changing compilation to the dustbin imho!

Discogs have also screwed up with this - even more than we have - since they have the outdated 57-track 'Versions' compilation (as 57 x File, FLAC lol! - Has Jose added this to Discogs, I wonder?) but none of the individual 'Versions' albums.

I'll leave it with you to decide what to do about this. Embarrassed I can add the 'Versions I' album into the studio albums section myself if you agree that we should replace the compilation 'Versions' (which has the identical cover image to 'Versions I', but without the words 'vol. 1' at the bottom) with it.


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^ David, to the 2nd part of your message ("Versions").

I think it makes sense to do the following:
- add "Versions I" as a studio album (I can't do it myself without some tricks because Spotify is unavailable in my country now);
- change the release date of our 57-track compilation Versions to 2023, add tracks 58-78 and point out that they are from 2024 release.
If "Versions VI" etc will follow, we can add them in similar way.

It tracks of Versions are listed in chronological order I'd add info where they belong.
Something like:
Versions I:
1. Dark Night of the Soul (Loreena McKennitt version) (4:00)
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28. Ordinary World (Duran Duran) (4:42)

Versions II:
29. Holy Land (Angra) (5:58)
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44. Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd) (6:21)

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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

I've also edited a bit your DVD addidion (Live after each track title was excesive).
I just copied that track list from the Fleesh Bandcamp page for the digital album version of the concert, and never really looked that closely at what was written there lol! Embarrassed

I'll do as you suggest with the 'Versions' releases - add the missing 'Versions I' album to studio releases, and then edit the compilation album. According to the Wayback Machine, it first appeared on Fleesh's Bandcamp in March 2021 as a 42-track album, so I'll use 2021 as the year of release. I'll segregate the tracks according to the names of the albums that they originally came from as you suggest, and add a note at the bottom to say that the album is regularly updated as more individual 'Versions' albums are released.
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^ All done. Please check that what I've done with the compilation is acceptable, and edit where you feel it is necessary. There are three tracks (numbers 31-33) which aren't included on any individual 'Versions' album, and this does spoil the chronological flow of the tracklist somewhat at that point.

Edit: It's also worth mentioning here - just for the record - that the two Renaissance covers that were on the 'Versions I' album ('Opening Out' and 'Ashes Are Burning') have been omitted from the compilation. They are still on the Fleesh YouTube Channel though, so I have no idea what the reason for this might be.


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1. Beach Walker (6:11)
2. Anhedonia (6:16)
3. Binary (5:33)
4. The Mind (3:01)
5. Walk Towards the Sun (3:20)
6. Landwaster (5:20)
7. The Moment I Stopped Caring (2:21)
8. Hole (4:59)
9. Plastic Animals (8:26)

Total Time 45:30
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

^ All done. Please check that what I've done with the compilation is acceptable, and edit where you feel it is necessary. There are three tracks (numbers 31-33) which aren't included on any individual 'Versions' album, and this does spoil the chronological flow of the tracklist somewhat at that point.

Edit: It's also worth mentioning here - just for the record - that the two Renaissance covers that were on the 'Versions I' album ('Opening Out' and 'Ashes Are Burning') have been omitted from the compilation. They are still on the Fleesh YouTube Channel though, so I have no idea what the reason for this might be.

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I've added your note about Renaissance covers.
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