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Louis, it took noticeable amount of my time to sort out your very innacurate Marillion additions (both forgivable for PA newcomers, but awful for PA collabs). Please be more accurate in future.

Accurate??? How can you omit to include some songs of the album of Sunday in the database?

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Living with the Big Lie
Runaway
The Hollow Man
Born to Run
White Paper
Sugar Mice
Genie

- E&O Team: Nothing from Sunday was omitted on Friday album.
Many "thanks" to Marillion for releasing two different double CDs and DVD/BD, all with identical cover. LOL
 


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Sorry to revisit an old nightmare, but I stumbled upon some more FLAC in the releases information section of one of TCat's album additions tonight I'm afraid. Did a quick Google search and found a few more too:


https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=17312 (not available via Bandcamp, but it's available from various other sites such as Amazon and Apple Music, so doubtless available in other formats besides FLAC). The release date for the CD is given as 25th Jan 1991 on Musicbrainz, with ECM Records  827 419-2 as a second label reference.



https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6088 (not available via Bandcamp, but CD Baby no longer sells music downloads either, so needs to be replaced by digital album).


https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64722 (says 26x FLAC download - Hammock Music, but it's available on Bandcamp in all the usual different formats).

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35679 (on Bandcamp - mentions MP3 as well as FLAC but would still be better to just say digital album).

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=41818 (on Bandcamp, and Mike's official website actually just says: Along with the CD of Wing Beat Elastic, one also gets a free digital audio download that includes an exclusive digital booklet.
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^ Thanks, David. I guess 'slower' search can give more results. Smile

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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

@Eugene, @Julien.  We have discussed the subject of how to present the title of a band or artist that has changed its name since it was added to the site before in this thread, but not (as far as I know) one that's been added to the site twice - once as their old name, and then again as their new name, with album releases on both pages. Please have a look at this post in the Prog Metal team thread and give us your thoughts on what should be done. Can we allow both pages to remain and just cross reference them as Cristi suggests, or do we need to follow the existing convention that we use for artists who have simply changed their name since they were added (and thus have all their releases on the same page), and rename the page title of this band's original entry to include its new name as well as its old one, followed by a migration of the album it released under its new name to the (now renamed) page that was created under its old name? Does that make sense? Embarrassed

In my opinion, in this case, when the 'new' band has only one album, makes sense to merge 2 bands. Technically it's possible (move the sole SKY SIGNALS album to EX CURIA page, change the band name and then use the former SKY SIGNALS artist ID for some newly added band). 
The only problem is EX in the name, because the resulting name would be SKY SIGNALS / EX EX CURIA. 

I think it's up to Metal Teams to decide. Additionally, EX CURIA belongs to Experimental/Post Metal while SKY SIGNALS is in Progressive Metal.


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^ Thanks for this, Eugene. It's what I was expecting that we'd need to do, so I'll ask Cristi to add my extra biographical info into the existing EX CURIA biography to make it more complete, and change the name of the EX CURIA page to SKY SIGNALS / EX CURIA (I think we need to omit the usual 'EX' prefix from the old band name in this particular case, otherwise it will look like a typo lol!). Either he or I can then move the SKY SIGNALS 'Illumine' album to the SKY SIGNALS / EX CURIA page and add "(As Sky Signals)" to its title.

The Prog Metal team can then use the old SKY SIGNALS page ID to add their next cleared artist, and that should be it. The result will be exactly what should have happened at the outset if they'd realised at the time of the SKY SIGNALS evaluation that that SKY SIGNALS and EX CURIA were just "same lady, different dress", as Mayer would say LOL.

The band started off as an Experimental/Post Metal band, and so should really stay in that sub. Many bands change the style of their music as they mature, but unfortunately PA doesn't provide a means of assigning more than one sub genre to them, and it's quite rare for the artists in our database to get moved to a different sub once they've they've been added.


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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

"same lady, different dress", as Mayer would say LOL.

Well said. Clap

And I agree, no need too many EX.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Many bands change the style of their music as they mature, but unfortunately PA doesn't provide a means of assigning more than one sub genre to them...

I would say fortunately, otherwise any question would be a nightmare because it needs several genre teams to be involved. Smile


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Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:


Louis, it took noticeable amount of my time to sort out your very innacurate Marillion additions (both forgivable for PA newcomers, but awful for PA collabs). Please be more accurate in future.

Accurate??? How can you omit to include some songs of the album of Sunday in the database?

River
Bridge
Living with the Big Lie
Runaway
The Hollow Man
Born to Run
White Paper
Sugar Mice
Genie

- E&O Team: Nothing from Sunday was omitted on Friday album.
Many "thanks" to Marillion for releasing two different double CDs and DVD/BD, all with identical cover. LOL
 


You are right it was not an omission to delete my first addition of the Sunday album but an inaccuracy!


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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

And I agree, no need too many EX.
The band stopped using the SKY SIGNALS Facebook page four and a half years ago, and from what they said in their last post on the EX CURIA Facebook page in March of last year, it appears that Sky Signals is already dead as a project. It seems that if they ever release any more material, it will once again be as EX CURIA rather than SKY SIGNALS, so any EX prefix that we had included in the name of the combined page would no longer apply anyway. With this in mind, I think we will also need to add "(As Ex Curia") to the names of the existing EX CURIA releases on the combined name page to make it clear which incarnation of the band had released them.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Many bands change the style of their music as they mature, but unfortunately PA doesn't provide a means of assigning more than one sub genre to them...

I would say fortunately, otherwise any question would be a nightmare because it needs several genre teams to be involved. Smile
You are indeed correct, sir! The other music sites out there are able to assign multiple sub genres to their artists without issue, but they don't have the problem of all the different sub genre teams that we have here on PA.
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Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

You are right it was not an omission to delete my first addition of the Sunday album but an inaccuracy!

Both of your addidions were complete mess, no need to cry over them.

Now, with my "inaccuracy", we have 3 correct releases: 
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

The band stopped using the SKY SIGNALS Facebook page four and a half years ago, and from what they said in their last post on the EX CURIA Facebook page in March of last year, it appears that Sky Signals is already dead as a project. It seems that if they ever release any more material, it will once again be as EX CURIA rather than SKY SIGNALS, so any EX prefix that we had included in the name of the combined page would no longer apply anyway. With this in mind, I think we will also need to add "(As Ex Curia") to the names of the existing EX CURIA releases on the combined name page to make it clear which incarnation of the band had released them.

If so, I'd suggest slightly different way:
- move SKY SIGNALS album to EX CURIA page and add "(as Sky Signals)" to its title;
- the band name would be EX CURIA / SKY SIGNALS or (maybe better) simply EX CURIA; Confused 
- explain in the bio that the band was temporarily called SKY SIGNALS;
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While researching for the 90s live albums poll I noticed that according to wikipedia, Allmusic and Rate Your Music Marillion's live from Lorely was actually released in 2009 and not 1995 as listed on here. 

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While researching for the 90s live albums poll I noticed that according to wikipedia, Allmusic and Rate Your Music Marillion's live from Lorely was actually released in 2009 and not 1995 as listed on here. 

Well, according to discogs, it was released on VHS back in 1987. 

The DVD was released in the 2000s. 
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

You are right it was not an omission to delete my first addition of the Sunday album but an inaccuracy!

Both of your addidions were complete mess, no need to cry over them.

Now, with my "inaccuracy", we have 3 correct releases: 



I don't see how your "Correct  releases" is that much cleaner than my additions.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

If so, I'd suggest slightly different way:
- move SKY SIGNALS album to EX CURIA page and add "(as Sky Signals)" to its title;
- the band name would be EX CURIA / SKY SIGNALS or (maybe better) simply EX CURIA; Confused 
- explain in the bio that the band was temporarily called SKY SIGNALS;
- use SKY SIGNALS artist ID for some newly added act.
Thanks again for your all help with this issue, Eugene

Cristi first changed the name of the EX CURIA page to EX CURIA/SKY SIGNALS.

I then moved the 'Illumine' SKY SIGNALS album to the EX CURIA/SKY SIGNALS page and added "(as Sky Signals)" to its title to begin with, also changing the two existing releases on the page to include "(as Ex Curia") in their title, but then I looked at the Neal Morse page to see how the titles of albums that had been released as different variations of the same artist had been presented on that page, and decided to follow the same style with this album too, so its title now reads "Sky Signals: Illumine". I altered the two EX CURIA releases to show that same style of album title as well.

I had already written a full additional biography which included a history of all the line-up changes and the change of band name, and Cristi added this below the short existing introductory bio that was already on the page.

All that's left now on the old SKY SIGNALS page is a band photo and the old one line biography, so I have indeed suggested to the PM team that they reuse that page ID for their next addition.

There are a few bits of ï¿½ abracadabra where there should be an Ë in the new EX CURIA/SKY SIGNALS bio, but Cristi is aware of this, and he's going to fix that tomorrow morning. He will also insert spaces before and after the slash in the page title so that it becomes EX CURIA / SKY SIGNALS. That should then be the end of the matter! Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

While researching for the 90s live albums poll I noticed that according to wikipedia, Allmusic and Rate Your Music Marillion's live from Lorely was actually released in 2009 and not 1995 as listed on here. 

Well, according to discogs, it was released on VHS back in 1987. 

The DVD was released in the 2000s. 

That's the VHS. What about the album which is where it is listed as being from 1995.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Sorry to revisit an old nightmare, but I stumbled upon some more FLAC in the releases information section of one of TCat's album additions tonight I'm afraid. Did a quick Google search and found a few more too:


https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=17312 (not available via Bandcamp, but it's available from various other sites such as Amazon and Apple Music, so doubtless available in other formats besides FLAC). The release date for the CD is given as 25th Jan 1991 on Musicbrainz, with ECM Records  827 419-2 as a second label reference.



https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6088 (not available via Bandcamp, but CD Baby no longer sells music downloads either, so needs to be replaced by digital album).


https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64722 (says 26x FLAC download - Hammock Music, but it's available on Bandcamp in all the usual different formats).

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35679 (on Bandcamp - mentions MP3 as well as FLAC but would still be better to just say digital album).

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=41818 (on Bandcamp, and Mike's official website actually just says: Along with the CD of Wing Beat Elastic, one also gets a free digital audio download that includes an exclusive digital booklet.

Well, 

There are currently 228 album entries with the word "FLAC" within the Releases information field. That's a lot. I think we should look at them from newest to oldest, because nowadays FLAC is pretty much synonymous with digital album, but back in the days FLAC really meant FLAC (before digital platforms such as Spotify, Youtube music, etc.) Hope I make sense?

Anyway, here are the 115 ones added by TCat, which are all pretty recent (2019+) :

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63501
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63502
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63503
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63504
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63516
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63997
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63998
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=63999
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64000
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64001
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64005
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64006
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64007
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64008
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64009
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64010
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64053
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64068
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64076
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64077
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64092
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64101
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64111
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64114
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64121
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64122
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64123
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64124
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64125
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64126
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64127
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64128
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64129
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64147
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64157
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64173
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64177
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64178
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64181
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64213
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64218
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64363
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64364
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64503
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64618
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64619
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64625
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64632
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64722
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64923
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=64978
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65229
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65235
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65236
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65237
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65390
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65393
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65397
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=65663
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66755
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66853
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66893
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66895
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66896
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=66936
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69247
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69249
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69250
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69427
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69552
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69553
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69554
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69555
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69556
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69557
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69558
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69559
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69560
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69561
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69562
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69564
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69565
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69566
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69567
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69573
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69574
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69575
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69578
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69579
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69580
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69581
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69582
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69583
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69601
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69602
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69603
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69604
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69605
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69609
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69610
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69611
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69614
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69615
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69616
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69617
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69619
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69620
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69621
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69622
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69623
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69624
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69625
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69684
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=69721
https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=70904

Should I update them automatically? What would be the right thing to do?
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Quote because nowadays FLAC is pretty much synonymous with digital album
It is synonymous with digital download. A lot of modern digitally distributed albums are not downloadable and only available on streaming platforms.
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^ Well, you're right. But this is not what I meant, sorry!

I meant that, most of the time, when PA members add an album with "FLAC" in the Releases information, it is synonymous with Digital album. Nowadays, at least.

Is it clearer that way?
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