PA the only site to recognize J-R Fusion as Prog?

cstack3 wrote: I don't care what other sites say, I really enjoy the intelligence and banter among everyone on PA!!  I've learned a great deal, have been introduced to many bands I never would have found on my own, and feel as though I've contributed.  The Prog Music journey, for musicians (I'm one), fans and family, is a very personal experience involving discovery, excitement and, yes, a bit of risk on occasion.   I like being here, where the boundaries can be pushed and definitions have some "give."  "Yes, Virginia, Jazz-Rock Fusion is Prog."

Edited by David_D - September 20 2024 at 05:16

Sure. Everything is prog now, including the Archies. 

cstack3 wrote: Do you then consider JRF as a part of prog?

^ If it's an actual tree (where all elements have only one parent), I'd like to see how you square rock/metal and prog/non-prog ... I think it's a major challenge 

I think most any genre can have progressive music within it, and of course genres can overlap and fuse with other genres, which in itself can be very progressive.

I commonly include "art", "experimental" and "progressive" music together.

A little digression... I had wanted to make a site years ago that focused on modern (say 1950 up) art, experimental and progressive music. This would include modern classical, art music, electronic, folkly, rocky, art pop..., post-punk jazz and jazzy music and more, more, more.. Sun Ra would be there, so would Stockhausen, so would King Crimson, Laurie Anderson, Velvet Underground etc. etc. If it weren't for this forum, I would find PA too limited in scope, despite its great variety, to maintain my interest for all of these years.

By the way, and I am expressing myself badly, the fusion of genres is such a common characteristic of Progressive Rock that including Jazz-Rock Fusion especially seems a good fit (but not all need apply). Already taking jazz qualities if common in well recognised and more stereotypical in style symph rock bands. And many jazz bands took a similar route by incorporating rock and other genres.

Basically as Mike said, I say that Prog and JRF intersect, and they overlap. It all is or all isn't presents a false dichotomy. There's a spectrum etc.

I've never been on the JR/T team nor have I seen it said what the derivation was, but I see it as denoting a separation, and I see it as related, and overlapping. Of course PA does it with a few categories that have relations. Jazz Fusion that incorporates rock and Jazz-Rock are commonly treated as different entities and that category includes both.

^ Ok, here's yet another attempt to define "prog" in a short paragraph:

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ Ok, here's yet another attempt to define "prog" in a short paragraph: "prog takes conventional music of a given genre and expands on it in terms of musical prowess, experimentation, grandeur, complexity, improvisation, lyrical depth etc.. usually in more than one of these dimensions."

^ I was only taking a casual swing at the definition, feel free to expand 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: "prog takes conventional music of a given genre and expands on it in terms of musical prowess, experimentation, grandeur, complexity, improvisation, lyrical depth etc.. usually in more than one of these dimensions."

IMHO that's simply a definition of experimental music.

Prog, and especially prog rock imo isn't just that. What for me separates prog rock from any other kind of experimental rock music is that in addition to the complex and unconventional elements, in has to in some way also reference the progressive rock classics.