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    Posted: August 14 2024 at 04:30
Firstly, sorry for the general negative tone of this post, but feeling uninspired by music is a feeling that I suspect many of us have related to at some point.

Actually the reason I created an account on this site was to post this topic so that I might get some insights from others about their own experiences, what they did to rekindle their inspiration, and any bands/artists I may look into.

You see, for a good solid 20 years almost I have been a diehard King Crimson fan, seeing the band live three times and listening to damn near all the recordings out there. While digging into this and all things Robert Fripp I also explored all the usual prog suspects, and a few more obscure ones. But for me King Crimson just raises the bar to a level of music performance that is just out of this world. Artists that, again for me, come closer to that standard might include Miles Davis or (some) Tangerine Dream or even guys like Brian Eno and Aphex Twin. If you haven't guessed it I like music that's more challenging, avant garde and so on.

The problem for me now is, KC have stopped touring, and having listened to so much of their material and basically all the prog rock classics a hundred times over, I ask myself, where does music go from here? Some might say turn to a whole other genre and dig into that, but while I find most music good I find very little of it interesting, or inspiring!

Bill Bruford once said that the reason he quit being a professional musician was that he "couldn't hear where the music was going." Maybe I too cannot hear where the music is going.

This is my experience and my opinion only,

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Hi,

(Long ... sorry! And hopefully helpful!)

If one is attuned to "music", I don't think that "inspiration" is a problem. A child goofing around on a piano or guitar, would be just as exciting as the greatest maestro in this globe. The problem starts when we think that what the child has has no importance, meaning or understanding ... and this is where "music" has led many of us completely astray ... we, then, go for the things we "like", and a lot of it has NOTHING to do with music whatsoever! 

KC, without a doubt is at the top of all bands when it comes to "quality" in their performance and material ... but then, that's like saying that Frank Zappa's groups were not only talented, but exceptional! I would say that Frank's groups would challenge RF and KC at any time, since the music in there is much more difficult and varied than the KC way, which does allow some freedom for the players, but it also closes them down quickly ... for a different take on the group.

Where the music is going, is a serious fallacy and problem ... that's like saying that you know where you are going and you have all the crystal balls in the world and never have an issue with the thoughts and ideas of where the music goes ... why should it matter? Music is far bigger, an instinctive of our personalities for anyone to suggest that we can not tell where it is going, not to mention that tomorrow a slight change takes it off that supposed path.

Bill has interesting ideas, but I think he knows that some things he said are not right and end up seemingly incorrect and improper. Knowing where music is going, seems to me like a line more suited and invented by an over eager fan interviewer that knows as much about music as he/she does about car engines ... and it becomes kinda ridiculous after a while. I liked, very much, the BB book, but I have to tell you that he was likely a bit lost in his ideas, when all he really wanted is to be the child having fun with his toys in the middle of KC or any other band! AND, my friend, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MUSIC, as much as it does with what he sees and feels at that specific moment playing that piece ... but it fits in the "music" because we found it there ... but if it weren't we wouldn't know otherwise now, would we? And would we think differently? You can't answer that because you did not hear/have that other piece with/without the bit/part that we believe made it music ... which is a ridiculous notion all around.

There is music all around the world ... walk outside at 5AM and listen to the Bird's Symphony, and close your eyes and simply enjoy the "going nowhere" ... other than the bird's perhaps hoping for some food as the young ones are hungry, or simply something else. We keep putting meaning into things that many times, do not have it, and are not clear to us! Why? Because we're so bored inside and think the world out there is better than us?

Please listen to music, not because it is this or that, but because it is that part of the human spirit that speaks the best about us all ... NOTHING ELSE ... and sometimes, the "meaning" and "where it is going" is an illusion that we fell for ... just like we did with that puff thingie or another joint, or any kinda of supplementary something!

KC is not the issue. Your listening ability would be if I can state that ... and I would like to suggest that you also listen to something else ... so you can find that KC is not the only one that EVER has done something special ... something that we don't understand, and often misinterpret.

In the end, a lot of RF and KC is about ... I wanna do this ... and he does! And why do you think that is more important than anything else in music?

Hope this helps ... it is a treatise about loving music for what it is ... although in my 55+ years, the more music I hear the less I worry about a "favorite", because you wake up real quick and find that there is a lot of other beauty out there, somewhere else ... that we love to ignore now and then!
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I can get to some extent how you could come to such a conclusion. But how much research have you actually done to find something inspiring in more recent music? There is lots and lots and lots of stuff around, and much of it isn't so obvious and easy to find.

Also there is still a lot to discover from the years between 1970 and 2020. I sometimes find it hard to find the things that blow me away listening to new releases only, but sometimes I realise that some bands do great things for umpteen years and I have ignored them because there's just so much music and so little time. It is hard to recommend something in particular because it isn't clear at all how much you already know. I was for example blown away by the Swans releases from 2012 onwards, by discovering Sonar and Aquaserge, by pretty much everything released by the North Sea Radio Orchestra and William D. Drake (or former Cardiacs fame, if you don't know them check them out absolutely), and by some recent electronic material by Battlestations. Not listed on PA but from what you have mentioned, you also might appreciate Matmos or Heilung. To mention some older stuff, have you listened to This Heat/Camberwell Now, or the later Talk Talk albums? Chances are you know Can, but have you listened to Holger Czukay's best solo stuff?  But there is so much more.


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Originally posted by michaeldupont michaeldupont wrote:



Actually the reason I created an account on this site was to post this topic so that I might get some insights from others about their own experiences, what they did to rekindle their inspiration, and any bands/artists I may look into.

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What did I do to rekindle my musical inspiration? I bought a guitar and joined ProgArchives! Big smile
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If you're looking for some suggestions...

Wippy Bonstack
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Mike Keneally
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Hi,

I kinda had the idea that this situation was more valuable from a distinct understanding of what music is/was rather than suggestions ... and those tend to scare me, since I have heard most of them, and I can not say they are/aren't good representatives to help someone understand his inspiration ... he, I would say to to the very early days of electronic music and listen to how it was originally just a sound with no connection to anything else, and how, all of a sudden, it was designed to express yet another feeling inside, and become an instrument on its own for a while, and then ... superfluous ... replacing an orchestra!

I kinda call that not the invention of an instrument, as much as its very destruction ... it's not even an instrument anymore. It's just another keyboard!

In these situations I default to the history of the arts ... film/theater being the 2 I am most educated on with music following, in terms of my listening abilities and experience. Other than the fact/idea that he/she might need to explain to their noodles what music really is, and does ... I think the perception is distorted so badly ... as to not have any idea what "inspiration" really is ... KC is not the inspiration ... THE PERSON IS ... and I would think that expecting it to come from the outside is bad ... really bad and a horrible fallacy!


Edited by moshkito - August 14 2024 at 05:38
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Contrary what a lot of people say about "playing a song (or an album) to death," my experience is quite the opposite. I always find the music inspirational. Granted, maybe I don't listen to Thick as a Brick, Close to the Edge, Voyage of the Acolyte, etc, as often as I used to, but I always enjoy the music, and find inspiration while listening.
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The most inspiring thing about music is the experience of creating it yourself! So get up off your ass, and give it a shot. Learn to play an instrument? Teach yourself to compose? Write Midi/Arrangements? Make chiptune on a tracker? There are so many possibilities!

Edited by Hrychu - August 14 2024 at 06:19
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The most inspiring thing about music is the experience of creating it yourself! So get up off your ass, and give it a shot. Learn to play an instrument? Teach yourself to compose? Write Midi/Arrangements? Make chiptune on a tracker? There are so many possibilities!

Hi,

Thanks ... I don't know that folks can see that creating it on their own is more valuable than expecting someone else to do it for them! Confused
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The most inspiring thing about music is the experience of creating it yourself! So get up off your ass, and give it a shot. Learn to play an instrument? Teach yourself to compose? Write Midi/Arrangements? Make chiptune on a tracker? There are so many possibilities!


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Thanks ... I don't know that folks can see that creating it on their own is more valuable than expecting someone else to do it for them! Confused
Why are you confused? Expressing oneself through creativity or realizing a musical vision has always been a fulfillment for humans. I mean, why do you think music is still being made aside from the commercial profits?
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I do hope we haven't seen the end of inspiration in music. My feeling is that there is much greater variety of music to dig into then ever before. I won't list anyone but there is a helluva lot. Some good, some not so good. 
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There are 12 notes in a musical scale which can be combined into thousands of unique sequences... and 100's of instruments from which to choose a combination from. It doesn't just have to be a standard orchestra ensemble, or typical rock band (lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass guitar, keyboards, saxes, drums & percussion or whatever).
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

There are 12 notes in a musical scale which can be combined into thousands of unique sequences... and 100's of instruments from which to choose a combination from. It doesn't just have to be a standard orchestra ensemble, or typical rock band (lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass guitar, keyboards, saxes, drums & percussion or whatever).
Not to mention countless odd time signature combinations! It's prog after all.
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Absolutely - all you need is some inspiration.
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Don't stop believing. Never stop searching. Your next favorite band is out there. It's up to you to find them.

This is it for me.  

I'm a huge Rush fan and have been since about 1980/81. I still listen to Rush but not nearly as much as I used to. I now find myself more interested in discovering new bands. There is so much more out there waiting to be found. Finding Prog Archives has been a real blessing. This site has introduced me to many bands that I never would have found otherwise.

I have also toyed with the idea of learning an instrument. Just haven't taken the plunge yet.
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I have been bored and burned out by certain artists but never by music in general. Expand your horizons, Grasshopper! Search for the influences of your favorite artists. If you like the avant guard, try Schoenberg or Bartok. Cage. Stravinsky. The Residents for ultimate weirdness. Go outside the western canon and embrace different approaches to rhythm, melody, and scale. Try Japanese Shakuhachi (bamboo flute) but don't go for the New Agey stuff. Find authentic Zen players. Tuvan or Mongolian throat singing is something that has to be experienced to be believed. I know all this is moving outside the Progosphere, but it seems that is where you need to go right now. Once you have gone out, come back in and you will experience the music in a new way. There are many ways to approach music. Ying Yang
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Originally posted by michaeldupont michaeldupont wrote:

You see, for a good solid 20 years almost I have been a diehard King Crimson fan, seeing the band live three times and listening to damn near all the recordings out there. While digging into this and all things Robert Fripp I also explored all the usual prog suspects, and a few more obscure ones. But for me King Crimson just raises the bar to a level of music performance that is just out of this world. Artists that, again for me, come closer to that standard might include Miles Davis or (some) Tangerine Dream or even guys like Brian Eno and Aphex Twin. If you haven't guessed it I like music that's more challenging, avant garde and so on.


Jazz-fusion may be the frontier you'll next want to explore. I share the opinion that King Crimson is top-shelf, but there's no way they cover all the bases. Sometimes I enjoy a good degree of w**k in my music, other times I prefer playing with more taste, more subtlety. Textures run frenetic to spacious. There are so many bands in jazz-fusion, from every continent, and that could be investigation time well spent. I recommend Kenso (Japan) to start with. Everything they've done is exceptional. I saw them live and they were easily the best band of the festival.

As you like Crimson, you can also check out heavy prog (Naikaku, Show-Yen, Atomic Rooster) and avant-prog (Far Corner, Art Zoyd, Thinking Plague).
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Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

There are 12 notes in a musical scale which can be combined into thousands of unique sequences... and 100's of instruments from which to choose a combination from. It doesn't just have to be a standard orchestra ensemble, or typical rock band (lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass guitar, keyboards, saxes, drums & percussion or whatever).

Hi,

And there are many more musical scales that the western culture ignores all over the world. And some/many have more than 12 notes.

But in terms of the instruments you mention, that is all, or the majority, of what folks hear, thus their imagination, naturally will follow one of those. Weird thing is that in dreams and some further out experiences, there is music, and it can not exactly be defined in any of those instruments ... though I'm not sure we even have any idea how to interpret those. It is possible, however, that it is a soundscape that is a factor of the universe winds and such .... which would not, exactly, sound like something we know, because we don't and the explorations of the universe in the past 75 years have not exactly looked at sound per se that I can remember.
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I started listening to music right before I used the internet, and back then, I had to pay for music. Garage sales, thrift shops, and sometimes the $15 cassettes/CDs. But with the internet, one could amass 5,000 songs in no time, using message boards finding music you think you would like, or music you'd like to try, and sometimes, just listening to any songs with YouTube links posted. There's also rateyourmusic sites, where you can narrow things down to things you'd like to find, from all over the world, but eventually you get through them pretty quickly, so it's going to be harder to find music that measures up with my favorites.
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