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Poll Question: Which of these is your favorite?
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Of all the albums on the list , EL and Powell was the only attempt to bring prog back in it's original long song format.

what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2?

I like all Mike Oldfield up to and inc Discovery. After that it's patchy. OLdfield was never clearly ''prog'' and kind of did his own thing parallel (or ''prog adjacent'' as is the trendy term) to that movement so he was well aware of it. When he toured Incantations it was way too impracticable (similar to ELP with Works) so he modified his style, trimming it down to a more slicker band orientated format. I still like it but you can't beat the first 4. ''Prog'' maybe, contemporary classical music for sure.
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Discipline of King Crimson followed by Signals of Rush..
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8/1/81 = August 1st, 1981 ?!! I hate the way Americans write numerical dates, it's just so WRONG! Day/Month/Year is much better, though Year/Month/Day is the best because chronological order is the same as alphabetical order.
 
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Quote Day/Month/Year is much better
I wouldn't say it's better. The reason one might believe in its superiority is because they're not American and simply used to that format.
Quote Year/Month/Day is the best because chronological order is the same as alphabetical order.
There you go. That's the only logical way imho for the reason you brought up.

But anyway, the poll is stupid because it pushes a "1st world centric narrative. In poorer countries, such as the post Eastern Bloc ones or non-commonwealth states in general, incredible complex prog music was still recorded post August 1981! Examples:

Synkopy & Oldřich Veselý - Sluneční hodiny (~December 1981)
Anyone's Daughter - In Blau (1982)
RSC - s/t (1983)
Bacamarte - Depois do Fim (1983)
East - Hüség (1982)
Автограф - s/t (1986)

I'm excluding the unrelated 1st wave OG Neo-Prog movement in the UK obviously. ;)
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^That's a very good point, but per usual, the forums default to the well-known artists. Fame bias, I suppose.

(I'm going to be super pedantic here, Depois do Fim was actually recorded in 1977, just not released until 1983. Either way, I still agree that there is a bias towards Anglo-American prog, with some nods towards the Italians and Swedes).
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Quote Depois do Fim was actually recorded in 1977
Hahaha! Wow. So someone let a recording sit on a shelf for whopping 6 years and released it after the music genre it represented had become completely fricking irrelevant. Great job, Som-Arte record label executives. Not!
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2?

Don't forget Carl Palmer's pre-Asia guest appearance on "Mount Teidi"!
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

what do you think of Mike's Taurus II 24:45 (Side 1) and Orabidoo 13:03 (Side 2)? No, Incantations it certainly ain't, but it's both a brave and quality album to release in 1982, esp after Platinum and QE2?

Don't forget Carl Palmer's pre-Asia guest appearance on "Mount Teidi"!

One of the great missed opportunites was that there was no further collaboration between them. For those unaware, Mount Teidi is an extinct volcano on the Spanish island of Tenerife and one of its major tourist attractions. Carl Palmer went to live there permanently and I guess Oldfield was also living there at that time.
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SAGA way above the rest for me.


Edited by Boojieboy - August 13 2024 at 18:09
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