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It's not really, "I don't get it," rather I think it's more "I don't like it" and I can't comprehend why "other people do like it." In which case, I don't get these doofuses and their poor musical taste.
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I'd like also to point that resonating with music is not a state but a process evolving all the time - which is of course very well-known - but typically also with some limits. Like, I can't imagine that I ever could resonate with typical Pop music. LOL







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I don’t get Peter Gabriel, Bowie, Kate Bush, Joni Mitchell, David Byrne amongst others. I respect what they do and understand why people like them but their music just leaves me cold.
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Generally speaking, I don't "get" Neo Prog, Prog Metal, kinds of "showy" or "show-offy" music, and kinds of arena rock and AOR in that it does not resonate with me and I don't identify with the musical expression.  I also commonly don't really get people getting offended over matters of personal taste.
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What i don't get is why the word "get" is so overworked in the English language

Like couldn't they have just invented new words for some of these expressions? Geez


get

(gɛt)

v. got, got got•ten, get•ting, v.t.
1. to receive or come to have possession, use, or enjoyment of: to get a gift; to get a pension.
2. to cause to be in one's possession or be available for one's use or enjoyment; obtain; acquire: to get a good price for a house; to get information.
3. to earn: to get the minimum wage.
4. to go after, take hold of, and bring (something) for oneself or another; fetch: She got the trunk from the attic.
5. to cause or cause to become, to do, to move, etc., as specified: to get one's hair cut; to get a fire to burn.
6. to communicate or establish communication with over a distance; reach: to get someone by telephone.
7. to hear or hear clearly: I didn't get your last name.
8. to acquire a mental grasp of; learn: to get a lesson.
9. to capture; seize: Get him before he escapes!
10. to receive as a punishment or sentence: to get a spanking; to get a year in jail.
11. to prevail on; influence or persuade: We'll get him to go with us.
12. to prepare; make ready: to get dinner.
13. (esp. of animals) to beget.
14. to affect emotionally: Her tears got me.
15. to hit, strike, or wound: The bullet got him in the leg.
16. to kill.
17. to take vengeance on: I'll get you yet!
18. to catch or be afflicted with: to get malaria while in the tropics; to get butterflies before a performance.
19. to receive (one's deserts, esp. punishment) (fol. by his, hers, theirs, or yours): You'll get yours!
20. to puzzle; irritate; annoy: Their silly remarks get me.
21. to understand; comprehend: to get a joke.
v.i.
22. to come to a specified place; arrive; reach: to get home late.
23. to succeed, become enabled, or be permitted: You get to meet a lot of interesting people.
24. to become or to cause oneself to become as specified; reach a certain condition: to get ready; to get sick.
25. (used as an auxiliary verb fol. by a past participle to form the passive): to get married; to get hit by a car.
26. to succeed in coming, going, arriving at, visiting, etc. (usu. fol. by away, in, into, out, etc.): I don't get into town very often.
27. to bear, endure, or survive (usu. fol. by through or over): Will he get through another bad winter?
28. to earn money; gain.
29. to leave immediately: He told us to get.
30. to start or enter upon the action of (fol. by a present participle expressing action): to get moving.
31. get about,
a. to move around physically from one place to another.
b. to become known, as a rumor.
c. to engage in social activities.
32. get across,
a. to succeed in communicating or explaining: to get a message across.
b. to be or become clearly understood: The message finally got across.
33. get ahead, to be successful, as in business or society.
34. get along,
a. to go away; leave.
b. to get on.
35. get around,
a. to circumvent; outwit.
b. to ingratiate oneself with (someone) by flattery or cajolery.
c. to travel from place to place; circulate: I don't get around much anymore.
d. to get about.
36. get at,
a. to reach; touch.
b. to suggest, hint at, or imply; intimate: What are you getting at?
c. to discover; determine: to get at the root of a problem.
37. get away,
a. to escape; flee.
b. to start out; leave.
38. get away with, to do or steal without consequent punishment.
39. get back,
a. to come back; return.
b. to recover; regain.
c. to be revenged.
40. get by,
a. to get beyond; pass.
b. to escape the notice of.
c. to survive or manage minimally.
d. to expend little effort; be merely adequate.
41. get down,
a. to bring or come down; descend.
b. to concentrate; attend.
c. to depress; discourage; fatigue.
d. to swallow.
e. to relax and enjoy oneself completely.
42. get in,
a. to enter.
b. to arrive at a destination.
c. to enter into close association (usu. fol. by with): getting in with the wrong crowd.
d. to be or cause to be elected to office or accepted into a group.
43. get off,
a. to dismount from or get out of.
b. to begin a journey.
c. to escape punishment.
d. to help (someone) to escape punishment, esp. by providing legal assistance.
e. to tell or write: to get off a joke.
f. to have the effrontery: Where does he get off telling me what to do?
g. to finish, as one's workday: We get off at five o'clock.
h. Slang. to have orgasm or an intense experience likened to it.
44. get off on, Slang. to become enthusiastic about or excited by.
45. get on,
a. to make progress; proceed; advance.
b. to have sufficient means to manage, survive, or fare.
c. to be on good terms; agree: She doesn't get on with her roommate.
d. to advance in age: He is getting on in years.
46. get out,
a. to leave (often fol. by of).
b. to become publicly known.
c. to withdraw or retire (often fol. by of).
d. to produce or complete.
47. get over,
a. to recover from: to get over an illness.
b. to get across.
48. get through,
a. to finish.
b. to reach someone, as by telephone.
c. to make oneself clearly understood.
49. get to,
a. to get in touch or into communication with; contact.
b. to make an impression on; affect.
c. to begin.
50. get together,
a. to accumulate; gather.
b. to congregate; meet.
c. to come to an accord; agree.
51. get up,
a. to sit up or stand; arise.
b. to rise from bed.
c. to ascend or mount.
d. to prepare; arrange; organize: to get up an exhibit.
e. to draw upon; marshal; rouse: to get up one's courage.
f. (used as a command to a horse to start moving or go faster.)
g. to dress up, as in a costume or by adding embellishments.
n.
52. an offspring or the total of offspring, esp. of a male animal: the get of a stallion.
53. a return of a ball, as in tennis, that would normally have resulted in a point for the opponent.
Idioms:
1. get it,
a. to be punished or reprimanded.
b. to understand or grasp something.
2. get nowhere, to fail despite much action and effort.
3. get off someone's back or case, Slang. to cease to nag or criticize someone.
4. get somewhere, to have success in life or in reaching a specific goal.
5. get there, to reach one's goal; succeed.

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For me, "I don't get it" relates to music that does not excite, fascinate, or wow me. Yet, a large majority of people- whose musical opinions I respect gush over the band or album.  

Except for their album " Apple Venus Vol 1"... I don't get XTC.  
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So, saying "I don't get it" is just another way of saying "I don't understand how/ why people can like (insert subject here)".

Answer: Because it's all subjective.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

What i don't get is why the word "get" is so overworked in the English language

Still, it's nothing compared to "have", at least in Denmark, where many today "has" something almost all the time, and which I not only don't get, but which really pisses me off. Dead
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I used to try to get people to "get it" back in my younger years. It proved to be an unfruitful adventure. You can't make somebody like something when they're not in the best state of mind for exploring new things. For some, that state of mind may be a bigger leap than you think.

I prefer the hands-off approach. This stuff is readily available for anyone to explore when they are open to doing such a thing. Just let them be. When the time is right, something might click. Or it might not. Some may never get it. Just don't let it worry you if people don't get the music you like. It's their problem, not yours.
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"I don't get it" is a phrase used to describe a musical situation that you may find annoying or frustrating.

The fact is there has always been a huge amount of people in the world who hear Topographic Oceans and say "I don't get it" On a personal level they disregard drawn out pieces. Generally anything extended to 20 minutes they find boring and they want to know why a huge amount of people like it so much? They may go back to Topographic and listen to it a number of times. They may sit listening to it and thinking "What do people get out of this?" "What do they see in this?" "I don't get it!"

There are certain styles in Rock that I get but I do not like. I don't have a lot of respect for it as masses often do . Much of it's ridiculous praise revolves around pure exaggeration to me. If you like the music fine...but...it is not king of kings or son of God...or genius...so stop treating it like it is in front of others. Don't personalize the music to the point where you feel that you must turn everybody on to it. The end result is more negative than positive because you're giving people the impression that they should buy it or stream it on a wim.. You're giving people the impression that they're suppose to like it just because you do. That is how a band becomes overrated.

It's not that "I don't get" that situation...Its just that I don't see a reason why that manipulative mentality has to exist? I suppose people have a tendency to be glib . They may look at you ...smile and say..."It's all good" It isn't. It literally isn't all good so why say that? To smooth your embarrassment over? Is that what you say to somebody when they mention that Page and Clapton get all the credit and Rory Gallagher gets very little? Is there something good about that?

In the 60s and 70s there were many magnificent Rock guitarists who were acknowledged by the youth. Now there are maybe 6 guitarist from that era who are internationally appreciated. I'm sorry "I don't get it"   It never used to be that way. The world was better off when it wasn't. Why is it that way now? That's ignorant. Is too much for the historians to acknowledge? Too vast? Music wasn't thought to be a generated time machine icon list of usual suspects in the late 60s and early 70s. Why does the internet and the publications industry continue to perpetuate that mentality today?

The attitude is..."Oh..my Dad listens to Clapton or Pink Floyd " but in the late 60s and early 70s a lot Dad's didn't. The theory is pushed time and time again that before they became the baby boomer fathers they are today...that they listened to those bands or that style of music. That's pure exaggeration. It's just such an exaggeration and a huge lie to believe that most people's taste in music revolved around your stupid handpicked list. It's perpetuated and pushed into the mind of the average person to believe that things in life used to be like that. They were not.."I don't get it"
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

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 It's perpetuated and pushed into the mind of the average person to believe that things in life used to be like that. They were not.."I don't get it"

Hi,

I think this is just a measure of the times and the internet. 

In those days, the only person you really talked about any music was your friend, or when you visited a record store and they would be playing something that perked up your ears.

In those days, when we didn't know the material, you didn't worry about "getting" anything, except the album!!!!! But, today, I think that too many folks don't really listen to the material enough to get past the "I don't get it" stage ... it all feels like a Beethoven Symphony, and someone only hears 5 minutes and then says ... I don't get it ... 

Generally, I stop looking at the thread ... lest I say something that is rude, and not meant to be rude. Listening to anything is not exactly about "getting it" ... it's about learning what it does, and how, and then your mind makes a sort of decision about what it might be ... and you would not be saying "I don't get it" unless you read 132 comments on PA (or elsewhere) and when you finally hear it ... it becomes really confusing and none of the comments made any sense compared to what you hear and what it means to you!

I guess the Internet has taken the courage to listen for yourself, a whole album, out of it all ... for a few folks. But if you want to know and learn and hear "progressive" you have to get past the 5 or 6 minute thing that so many bands in the monthlies and yearlies are showing and doing.



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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

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 It's perpetuated and pushed into the mind of the average person to believe that things in life used to be like that. They were not.."I don't get it"


Hi,

I think this is just a measure of the times and the internet. 

In those days, the only person you really talked about any music was your friend, or when you visited a record store and they would be playing something that perked up your ears.

In those days, when we didn't know the material, you didn't worry about "getting" anything, except the album!!!!! But, today, I think that too many folks don't really listen to the material enough to get past the "I don't get it" stage ... it all feels like a Beethoven Symphony, and someone only hears 5 minutes and then says ... I don't get it ... 

Generally, I stop looking at the thread ... lest I say something that is rude, and not meant to be rude. Listening to anything is not exactly about "getting it" ... it's about learning what it does, and how, and then your mind makes a sort of decision about what it might be ... and you would not be saying "I don't get it" unless you read 132 comments on PA (or elsewhere) and when you finally hear it ... it becomes really confusing and none of the comments made any sense compared to what you hear and what it means to you!

I guess the Internet has taken the courage to listen for yourself, a whole album, out of it all ... for a few folks. But if you want to know and learn and hear "progressive" you have to get past the 5 or 6 minute thing that so many bands in the monthlies and yearlies are showing and doing.





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If by 'don't get it' you mean don't understand to the point where you can enjoy and appreciate it... then these prog artists (that are loved and respected by many prog fans) I just 'don't get' despite having given them several tries over the decades:

1) Gong
2) Van Der Graf Generator
3) Gentle Giant
4) Captain Beefheart
5) Triumvirat
6) Eloy
5) Frank Zappa

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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

"I don't get it" is a phrase used to describe a musical situation that you may find annoying or frustrating.

The fact is there has always been a huge amount of people in the world who hear Topographic Oceans and say "I don't get it" On a personal level they disregard drawn out pieces. Generally anything extended to 20 minutes they find boring and they want to know why a huge amount of people like it so much? They may go back to Topographic and listen to it a number of times. They may sit listening to it and thinking "What do people get out of this?" "What do they see in this?" "I don't get it!"

There are certain styles in Rock that I get but I do not like. I don't have a lot of respect for it as masses often do . Much of it's ridiculous praise revolves around pure exaggeration to me. If you like the music fine...but...it is not king of kings or son of God...or genius...so stop treating it like it is in front of others. Don't personalize the music to the point where you feel that you must turn everybody on to it. The end result is more negative than positive because you're giving people the impression that they should buy it or stream it on a wim.. You're giving people the impression that they're suppose to like it just because you do. That is how a band becomes overrated.

It's not that "I don't get" that situation...Its just that I don't see a reason why that manipulative mentality has to exist? I suppose people have a tendency to be glib . They may look at you ...smile and say..."It's all good" It isn't. It literally isn't all good so why say that? To smooth your embarrassment over? Is that what you say to somebody when they mention that Page and Clapton get all the credit and Rory Gallagher gets very little? Is there something good about that?

In the 60s and 70s there were many magnificent Rock guitarists who were acknowledged by the youth. Now there are maybe 6 guitarist from that era who are internationally appreciated. I'm sorry "I don't get it"   It never used to be that way. The world was better off when it wasn't. Why is it that way now? That's ignorant. Is too much for the historians to acknowledge? Too vast? Music wasn't thought to be a generated time machine icon list of usual suspects in the late 60s and early 70s. Why does the internet and the publications industry continue to perpetuate that mentality today?

The attitude is..."Oh..my Dad listens to Clapton or Pink Floyd " but in the late 60s and early 70s a lot Dad's didn't. The theory is pushed time and time again that before they became the baby boomer fathers they are today...that they listened to those bands or that style of music. That's pure exaggeration. It's just such an exaggeration and a huge lie to believe that most people's taste in music revolved around your stupid handpicked list. It's perpetuated and pushed into the mind of the average person to believe that things in life used to be like that. They were not.."I don't get it"

There is a lot to unpack here. TFTO is often used as the example of prog where it 'jumped the shark'.In otherwords Yes made a better long piece on the earlier CTTE  album than anything on TFTO. That's a perfectly valid opinion and stance imo ( we are allowed to have an opinion I assume)

I enjoy people displaying passion for music they love rather than being scorned for trying to brainwash others into listening to it. I don't think anyone is going to convince me to listen to something I don't like but I would at least like to know why someone likes something. Even on the reviews page it's hard to know why an album is being enjoyed. The dry approach doesn't work for me personally. Should I be sorry?

In general rock music history has been rewritten by the media and journalists that don't understand what music actually is half the time.  It's desperately sad but I'm not sure what it's got to do with this topic. We are just going back to overrated and underrated not whether something is not being 'got'.

That last sentence is something I've literally not come across at all. Again are we talking about clueless so called music journalists that write for national newspapers or the like? I just ignore them ansd always have. It's always been clear to me that most people that write about music can't be trusted (maybe I should count myself in that as well). You have to trust your own instincts at the end of the day.




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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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In general rock music history has been rewritten by the media and journalists that don't understand what music actually is half the time.  It's desperately sad but I'm not sure what it's got to do with this topic. We are just going back to overrated and underrated not whether something is not being 'got'.
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Hi,

Not just rock journalists, and the media, but in very general terms, the majority of fans, appear to not exactly understand what music is half the time, and instead replace that with their "preferences", and I find this sad ... it's akin to seeing so many reviews and ratings, by one or two folks associated with the music itself, as a way to sound better.

I also have a tendency to dislike the "blurb" style comments, since it will be even harder for someone else to be able to see that in its entirety. Not a comment on Mike, since a lot of his blurbs appear thought out and not bad, but I wonder how you can do something like that for the stuff that is all longer cuts, and where the mood, and imagination is the thing that defines it all ... and all of a sudden, so few words not clarifying that issue could create one of those don't get things.

Guy Guden, myself, Paul, and some other original Space Pirates, have been through this since the start of his show (we were all at the City College together) ... from a DJ putting down Golden Earring, to another making sure he meets and interviews Sandy Denny, when he had no knowledge whatsoever of any of her material and history! That was not "journalism", it was megalomania I suppose.

To me, for 50 years plus, "getting it" has been about listening and paying attention to the stuff you are listening, and this is where things like AD2 fails to get more fans ... they change so fast into something else that trying to figure it out is nearly impossible ... sounds fine, but the all consuming  "riff" has changed, and thus it gets harder for many folks to appreciate and understand ... and it gets worse ... Mona Lisa you got a bird brain ... what? how do you even define that?

I can't blame someone for asking the question ... although my suggestion would be to stop listening to the stuff as if it was the AM radio band of old ... 2 and a half minute versions of Light My Fire ... and asking makes sense in the middle of cardboard and bubblegum music on top of it!

Sadly, it also says that having a bit of history of music going back hundreds of years, would likely solve the riddle of what to get ... but I have my questions about many folks that post here and some of their comments, not that mine are any better, but sometimes, rock music has created a monster that it can not control!
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Twelve artists "I don't get"  simply because I don't like them. Smile

Art Bears
Art Zoyd
Captain Beefheart
Cardiacs
Current 93
Henry Cow
The Residents
Swans
Throbbing Gristle
Univers Zero
Robert Wyatt
Frank Zappa

Nice, I like 7 over 12
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Could you get into Indonesian Barong? Or Arabic folk? Mayb yes, maybe not. Sometimes it depends on the scales and harmonies you are used to.
Imagine a teenager listening only to radio stuff: 4/4, reggaeton, trap and stuff of this kind. When one of this kind listens to Gentle Giant for the first time (just to say a name), how can you think he'll get it?

When I've been exposed to prog for the first time, I was by coincidence already a bit into rock, country and blues, so my first listen of Emerson Lake and Palmer opened me the dorrs to the prog world. 

When I try to introduce somebody to prog, I usually ask "what are you used to listen to?", then I search for the closer possible thing. 

Even the most obscure kind of prog has elements deriving from what the author was exposed to during the years. You can always find a connection...maybe not always, but if one is used to reggaeton only, why bothering?
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Could you get into Indonesian Barong? Or Arabic folk? Mayb yes, maybe not. Sometimes it depends on the scales and harmonies you are used to.
Imagine a teenager listening only to radio stuff: 4/4, reggaeton, trap and stuff of this kind. When one of this kind listens to Gentle Giant for the first time (just to say a name), how can you think he'll get it?
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Hi,

I imagine that if I was a new listener with your comments in mind, I might consider reading a bit more on PA before asking the question.

I still have the weird idea that the poster did not, and likely does not, listen to a lot of music, when something like this or that will seem like ... "don't get it" because they are so different and specialized ... heck, how many folks have we heard basically say that about MAGMA?

Knowing music and its history would help some ... because the person would know things change and considering something weird, or strange is more of a factor of not listening, than it is an honest question ... so the whole thing, for me, seems like a possible situation trying to get people all excited and arguing, rather than answering anything ... I still don't feel comfortable with someone asking that question, specially as folks have stopped saying something strange, weird and off key for more than 45 years in the case of Space Pirate Radio ... and Guy still plays the most off the wall stuff nobody ever heard.
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There's a lot of stuff I don't get.......
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