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David_D 
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Okay, when talking about Gaddafi, it's not just about the politics of uprising. |
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Posted: July 19 2024 at 12:27 |
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One of the French most political Prog (at least partly) musicians/artists in the '70s was probably Richard Pinhas of Heldon fame with for instance one or probably two political songs on Heldon's first album, Electronique Guerilla (1974): 1. "Ballade pour Puig Antich, revolutionnaire assassine en Espagne" 2. "Quais Marchais, Mieux Qu'en 68" Pinhas took also the time to study and complete an PhD in philosophy in 1974, and he was associated with some philosophers and writers. |
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Posted: July 19 2024 at 12:59 |
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Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute To the already rich among us How long can I pretend that music's more relevant Than fighting for a socialist world Someone watching us, knows I'm bad Black plastic along blue-black wall Small square of places Where dead men can look through Run along and see the prison bar Throw a stone across an empty road You and your friend will be found Outside the daydream I've woken up to watch you sleep Gloria Gloom by Henry Cow |
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David_D
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Posted: July 19 2024 at 15:09 |
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Procession's splendid Frontiera (1972) is a concept album about immigration, and I'd think of it as quite political, but I can't really say, as I only understand a little of its Italian lyrics. What would you say, Lorenzo? |
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Posted: July 20 2024 at 12:21 |
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Kornelyans (Yug) - "Generation 1942", anti-war, Not an Ordinary Life (1974) Swans' musically very ambitious 34 minutes epic, "Bring the Sun / Toussaint L'Ouverture", may not be quite Prog as I see it, but it surely is very nicely political. It's at least partly about Toussaint Louverture, who was a Haitian general and the most prominent leader of the Haitian Revolution, which began in 1791 and ended in 1804, and was a successful insurrection by self-liberated slaves against French colonial rule in Saint-Domingue, now the sovereign state of Haiti. From the album To Be Kind (2014) and here's an excerpt of the lyrics: Toussaint L'ouverture Liberté! Egalité! And very nice with a bit more US contribution here. |
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Yes, it's a political album. here a review (in Italian): https://classikrock.blogspot.com/2008/11/procession-frontiera-1972.html Now I try to listen to it
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime and Shadow Gallery's Tyranny and its sequel, Room V sound very political to me.
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Mystique
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You will not be able to stay home, brother
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out You will not be able to lose yourself on skag And skip out for beer during commercials, because The revolution will not be televised The revolution will not be televised The revolution will not be brought to you By Xerox in four parts without commercial interruptions The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon blowing a bugle And leading a charge by John Mitchell, General Abrams, and Spiro Agnew To eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary The revolution will not be televised The revolution will not be brought to you by the Schaefer Award Theatre And will not star Natalie Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal The revolution will not get rid of the nubs The revolution will not make you look five pounds thinner, because The revolution will not be televised, brother There will be no pictures of you and Willie Mae Pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run Or trying to slide that color TV into a stolen ambulance NBC will not be able predict the winner At 8:32 on report from twenty-nine districts The revolution will not be televised There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers on the instant replay There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers on the instant replay There will be no pictures of Whitney Young Being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process There will be no slow motion or still lifes of Roy Wilkins Strolling through Watts in a red, black, and green liberation jumpsuit That he has been saving for just the proper occasion Green Acres, Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville Junction Will no longer be so damn relevant And women will not care if Dick finally got down with Jane On Search for Tomorrow Because black people will be in the street looking for a brighter day The revolution will not be televised There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock news And no pictures of hairy armed women liberationists And Jackie Onassis blowing her nose The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb or Francis Scott Keys Nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom Jones, Johnny Cash Engelbert Humperdinck, or The Rare Earth The revolution will not be televised The revolution will not be right back After a message about a white tornado White lightning, or white people You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom The tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl The revolution will not go better with Coke The revolution will not fight germs that may cause bad breath The revolution will put you in the driver's seat The revolution will not be televised Will not be televised Will not be televised Will not be televised The revolution will be no re-run, brothers The revolution will be live Revolution Will Not Be Televised (1971) by Gil Scott-Heron |
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(Spoken Intro)
"A Gallup snapshot poll taken immediately after President Bush's speech on funding embryonic stem cell research last night shows that half of Americans approve of his decision, 25% do not, and still another 25% aren't sure what to think." "Most people don't even know what stem cells are." "Who is going to scream the loudest? Will it be the right-to-lifers or will it be the scientists? And now what's going to happen is that there will be a tremendous amount of lobbying in Washington, D.C.: scientists, entertainers, people who want to see this research - will be coming forth." "I am concerned about it. Christopher Reeve is concerned about it. Everyone is concerned about it. The big question is do the ends justify the means? When we talk about research, yes, we can cure a lot of things...speculatively. But, where is the proof?" "These developing human beings that you are talking about, these embryos were produced in an artificial, scientific environment. In vitro fertilization is not God's will." "That doesn't make them any less human, though, after that happens." "We are on a road where we really don't know where we are going as far as what's next. We are talking about harvesting embryos. We are talking about this, we are talking about that, but what is the cost?" "How could we possibly abandon the research?" "That is right. That is the old question. If you think the research is good, then you may not have a problem with it. It is only if you think the research is questionable that you get defensive about it. (you do have time to research these embryos later if we choose to do so. While people are suffering, we are not truly certain that this will provide a cure.)" "And there was a great outrage in the conservative churches... You cannot use developing humans... At that point in time they turn into humans." "I feel that abandoning this research could be a mistake. Researching this may allow us to save other lives or at least to improve the quality of lives." "We do not have the answers, yet. We need to put the money where we will get those answers in the future. Listen, we are out of time." (Verse 1) What if someone said: "Promise lies ahead" "Hopes are high in certain scientific circles" "Life won't have to end" "You could walk again" What if someone said: "Problems lie ahead" "They've uncovered something highly controversial" "The right to life is strong" "Can't you see it's wrong?" (Chorus 1) Humankind has reached a turning point Poised for conflict at ground zero ready for a war Do we look to our unearthly guide? Or to white coat heroes searching for a cure? Turn to the light Don't be frightened of the shadows it creates Turn to the light Turning away would be a terrible mistake (Verse 2) Anarchistic moral vision, industries of death Facing violent opposition, unmolested breath Ethic inquisitions breed antagonistic views Right wing sound bite premonitions, a labyrinth of rules (Chorus 2) Are you justified Are you justified Are you justified Justified in taking Life to save life? Life to save life? Life to save life? (Verse 2) This embryonic clay Wrapped in fierce debate Would be thrown away or otherwise discarded Some of us believe It may hold the key To treatment of disease and secrets highly guarded (Chorus 2) Are you justified Are you justified Are you justified Justified in taking Life to save life? Life to save life? Life to save life? (Chorus 1) Humankind has reached a turning point Poised for conflict at ground zero ready for a war Do we look to our unearthly guide? Or to white coat heroes searching for a cure? Turn to the light Don't be frightened of the shadows it creates Turn to the light Turning away would be a terrible mistake We're reaching, but have we gone too far? Harvesting existence only to destroy Carelessly together, we are sliding Someone else's future four days frozen still Someone else's fate we are deciding Miracle potential, sanctity of life Faced against each other, we're divided Should we push the boundaries? Or should we condemn? Moral guilt and science have collided (Outro Chorus) Turn to the light We defy our own mortality these days Turn to the light Pay attention to the questions we have raised (Spoken Outro) "One of the big questions that still remains for me, though, is that all of these embryos that are sent or will be discarded - is this worse than just throwing those away?" "You do not know that all of these will be discarded. All of a sudden you say which ones will be discarded. And all of sudden you have people being solicited for parts of their anatomy. Then they harvest parts of people's bodies. That is how it starts." "People are not soliciting; there are fertility clinics that have extra embryos." "The research is a scientific advancement. I know we are going down a road that we may not know where we end, but that is exactly what science is all about. I am very sorry, but I do feel sympathy for those whose spines have been severed... There is a possibility that we might cure them. I am concerned about a cure for juvenile diabetes and if these types of scientific advancement can cure these diseases, then quite candidly I think there ought to be at least what President Bush has proposed: some limited research." "Stem cells come from developing human beings and they shouldn't be experimented on that doesn't make sense or that is unethical, but at the same time there is great promise." "I have a 28-year old son who is paraplegic. And if there is a small chance that my son can be able to have feeling and be able to walk then I am for it." "Human beings have been evolving
for tens of thousands of years and we are just injecting cells from
embryos into people's brains. How do we come to do something like that?" The Great Debate by Dream Theater |
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HI, You can also get Gil Scott Heron on the film PERFORMANCE, in a piece that is really strong, and I think it questions some black attitudes. I'm not sure as I have not exactly studied the whole thing and only remember the few words ... they are strong!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Hi, The periodical by Archie Patterson, known as EUROCK posted a huge number of Richard's words and ideas, during the early days of the magazine. They are all compiled in the huge book Archie finally was able to put together. They are difficult reading, in that they are intense, and really detailed. Not something that most progressive folks will go read and try to make sense of, but in the end, it just showed that Richard was not just another guitarplayer/musician out there ... I am not sure that most folks can relate to that kind of ability, and I suppose that we're glad that only the titles appear in the albums, which suggest a lot of things ... some of which did happen, and some that were buried by the media.
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Frank Zappa had many politically pungent protest songs. One of the slyest is "Uncle Remus", which cleverly describes both the racial hatred and subtle discrimination (the ubiquitous cast iron or plaster black jockeys gracing many a suburban lawn) of the 60s and 70s:
Whoa, are we movin' too slow? Have you seen us Uncle Remus? We look pretty sharp in these clothes (yes, we do) Unless we get sprayed with a hose It ain't bad in the day If they squirt it your way 'Cept in the winter, when it's froze An' it's hard if it hits On your nose (on your nose) Just keep your nose To the grindstone, they say Will that redeem us Uncle Remus? I can't wait 'til my Fro is full-grown I'll just throw away my door rag at home I'll take a drive to Beverly Hills Just before dawn An' knock the little jockeys Off the rich people's lawn An' before they get up I'll be gone, I'll be gone Before they get up I'll be knocking the jockeys off the lawn Down in the dew Edited by The Dark Elf - July 21 2024 at 11:51 |
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I've got a copy of and have read this entire book entitled Eurock: European Rock & the Second Culture, and I can definitely recommend it, with its huge number of articles about and interviews with really many Krautrock and other European artists from the years 1973-2002.
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PA's article about RIO tells: Rock In Opposition Rock In Opposition (RIO for short) is the name of a short-lived movement that has gone on to define a sub-genre of progressive rock, and which is now sometimes applied to musicians whose careers hadn't even started by the time the movement had ceased to exist in any official capacity. It is not synonymous with the term avant-prog, for whilst bands associated with RIO are (generally speaking) avant-prog in nature, most avant-prog bands are not associated with RIO. The roots of RIO can be traced to Henry Cow, a UK progressive rock band with a distinctly avant-garde sound and left wing political ideology. Henry Cow toured extensively in Europe throughout much of the 1970s and came into contact with a few similarly inclined bands, in an ideological sense as much, if not more, than a musical one. These groups did not always have much in common stylistically, apart from a basic leaning towards fusing avant-garde qualities with elements of rock. Most of these bands were working independently at the time and had no distribution or realistic opportunity of touring outside their native countries. The idea of Rock In Opposition was to create an independent network of like-minded performers that would not be dependent on the largesse of major record companies for their survival. Henry Cow invited four of these bands to play alongside them at the first Rock in Opposition festival on 12th March 1978, at the New London Theatre, Drury Lane in London. The British Arts Council helped the funding of the festival with a £1000 grant. The Rock in Opposition slogan "The music the record companies don't want you to hear" was altered very slightly for the flyer advertising the first Rock in Opposition concert. The five initial Rock in Opposition bands were: Henry Cow (England) Univers Zero (Belgium) Etron Fou Leloublan (France) Samla Mammas Manna (Sweden) Stormy Six (Italy) Three additional bands were later officially elected to the movement: Art Zoyd (France) Art Bears (England) Aksak Maboul (Belgium) The involved bands had many disagreements in a meeting at Sunrise Studios in Kirchberg, Switzerland in December 1978 about the purpose of the group, and its meaning. They eventually came up with a plan to continue their joint concerts. They organised three more festivals and co-operative record distributions but eventually the RIO group dissolved. It left behind a legacy that would initially be picked up by later projects from the many musicians involved with the original movement, and later on by artists inspired by the original RIO groups. Miriodor and Ensemble Nimbus are often said to be influenced by Samla Mammas Manna, for example, and are consequently sometimes referred to as RIO bands. Since 2007, a contemporary RIO festival has been held most years in Carmaux, France. This festival has included artists closely associated with the original RIO movement alongside bands from the wider world of avant-prog and experimental music. |
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^ The only band that remotely appeals to me from those listed above are Samla Mammas Manna. When it comes to RIO, I prefer Brazilian Prog.
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About this song, I've been discussing with Hrychu, here's an English translation used by Niemen in a previous release: A Pilgrim Music: Cz. Niemen Lyrics: C. Norwid / translation: Paweł Brodowski Recording from the album: Ode to Venus, ed. NRF, GB 1973 Over states there is the state of states As a tower over flat houses Protruding into clouds You think I’m not a lord For my house is moveable Of camel skin Surely you know I also rest up in heaven As it carries away my soul Like a pyramid Surely you know I also own the land That my foot covers Wherever I walk Wherever I walk |
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Antoni, do you have any idea for an interpretation of this song by Niemen? Could it be a political statement? The lyrics are written by the Polish poet and dramatist, Jonasz Kofta, and this English translation of them is made by Google Translate and slightly corrected by me: Niemen Aerolit - "Four Walls of the World" In front of the wall of sound stand the deaf ones They pray to the music When you don't desire, when you have to Better be nobody In front of the wailing wall stand the clowns They laugh at their own shadows' twitches And their laughter is empty, their laughter is terrible Better be nobody In front of the wall of light stand the blind ones And they look without blinking About what shines, they know better Than an ordinary man A hero stands in front of the wall of execution Looks the executioners in the eyes Smokes his last cigarette On the edge of the night There is a world made of walls growing upwards In it the word loses its value I stand in front of an ordinary wall And I bang my head against it And I bang my head against it The Polish title of this song is "Cztery Sciany Swiata", and it's from the album Niemen Aerolit (1975). Edited by David_D - July 25 2024 at 12:04 |
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Not quite Prog as I see it, but here's no less than some revolutionary Jazz-Rock by the African Osibisa - "Think about the People", from the debut album (1971), and an excerpt of the lyrics says: Now stop for a moment Think about the world Think about the people Think about their lives Stop for a moment Think about the system Think about your children Think about the whole wide world! Think about deception Think about pollution Think about radiation Think about destruction Think about revolution Think about a revelation Think about a solution Or think about a whole wide world! RIGHT NOW! Edited by David_D - July 26 2024 at 06:01 |
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Rick Wakeman - "The Prisoner", a reflection upon death penalty and the Maker's decision as a consequence of murdering somebody, No Eathly Connection (1976) |
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