Maani and everyone:

First, I apologize for putting this topic here, instead of in Forum Suggestions or something.

I don't think creating a subforum for bands not in the Archive yet is good enough.  I know Maani will disagree, but the majority of posters have one main forum they frequent, it being this one, and they only check the others occasionally; usually if they put a topic there themselves. 

As of right now, prog bands that aren't in the Archive get their topics moved to Non-Prog Music.  As if they aren't good enough to be called prog, and get tossed in with people discussing Elton John, Eminem, and Mariah Carey.  The proposed solution is to create yet another subforum for bands not yet added to the Archive.  I don't believe that's sufficient.

Wastefall, Spiraling, dredg, Coheed And Cambria, Steve Walsh, and COUNTLESS other artists are not included in the Archives, but their output is 100% prog by the standards of this site.  Is it really necessary to have a seperate forum to discuss things that haven't been processed yet, while Asia discussion is fine and dandy right here in this forum?  I think that's extremely uncool.

I'd like your thoughts on this issue...  I'm sure many of us have strong opinions one way or another on this, and I think this place, the forum where the majority of us frequently read/post, is the best place to get these opinions.

1 1/2 hours to first reply.

Not exactly a concensus is it.......

 

Tony R wrote: 1 1/2 hours to first reply. Not exactly a concensus is it.......

 

I have backed up his statement in other threads, Tony.  It is just a feeling I get here that most people do not want to talk about something that would actually require them to search for a band and download music.  There is even less of a chance of that happening if those discussions were removed from the main thread.  It is too bad too because people are missing out on some good music.  Not all new prog is limited to The Mars Volta, Radiohead, God Speed! You Black Emperor and Dream Theater.  But those are the only choices allowed it seems.

 

 

 

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Like 'em or not, Co&Ca are prog. 

Man Overboard wrote: If you have an opinion on this, please share.  If I'm wrong, and everyone's fine with a non-archive band that's fully prog being tossed into Non-Prog Music, I'll let it go and deal with it, but I really think this is an important issue...

There's been a lot of tossing around here recently........just ask the Dream Theater gang !

Man Overboard wrote: Shut up, you damn t**ser!

OOH I forgot,this is sooooo serious and critical.

DNRTM is where the action is........

Man Overboard wrote: Like 'em or not, Co&Ca are prog.

Co&Ca is NOT prog ... they don't have any prog elements .. I'm sure of that. I think what they do is called punk or emo  

Tony R wrote: 1 1/2 hours to first reply. Not exactly a concensus is it.......

depends who's online at the time ...

Man Overboard wrote: Astaroth wrote: Man Overboard wrote: Like 'em or not, Co&Ca are prog.  Co&Ca is NOT prog ... they don't have any prog elements .. I'm sure of that. I think what they do is called punk or emo   Lots of time changes, intricate guitar parts over odd times, conceptual storyline that spreads across not just tracks, but ALBUMS, Geddy Lee vocals, many tracks that span around 10 minutes, lots of mood changes and dynamics...  what else do you bloody want?

I can say the same about Adagio or Heaven's Cry ... everybody has his favorite bands that are not yet included.

BTW: Currently the moved threads remain in the initial category for some time. Why not introduce a similar feature for threads started in other categories: Simply make them show in the main category.

Example:

Instead of "Moved: XYZ" it could show "New thread in Recommendations: XYZ".

People could start the threads in the appropriate category, and they would show for - say - 24 hours in the main prog lounge. It would basically appear to be like it is now, the only difference would be that the admins no longer have to move posts.

It's difficult to explain, what do you think?

Man Overboard wrote: Wastefall, Spiraling, dredg, Coheed And Cambria, Steve Walsh, and COUNTLESS other artists are not included in the Archives, but their output is 100% prog by the standards of this site.  Is it really necessary to have a seperate forum to discuss things that haven't been processed yet, while Asia discussion is fine and dandy right here in this forum?  I think that's extremely uncool.

I think that it would be very nice to have two categories for prog discussions about specific albums or bands. The separation between included and not (yet) included bands would simply clarify where to look for threads. The threads about prog bands and albums in the main lounge which you are referring to (Asia) would be moved to those categories, so the main discussion category would be much smaller. It would be for threads like "What is progressive music" or "do double albums suck", stuff like that.

The advantage of a more prominent "not yet included" category is that this would be the one category you would need to monitor in order to expand your musical horizon, as it would contain every band/album that some people - like you or me - consider prog, but aren't yet in the archive. As it is now, you have to monitor the main lounge, recommendations and Bands and Albums. 

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