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moshkito 
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 Posted: July 18 2024 at 06:46 |
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Hi, Agreed. I do think as well that saying that something as this, is rather weird .... I was about to state that the "influence" of others is a serious issue, otherwise you or I would never think of anything as such. As an artist, stuff like this is a bummer. It takes away a lot of the beauty and effort that so many people have put together for an album. I guess it's different today since you can "compose" in your bed, or shower, and that "qualifies one to say something else is "overrated"? Blame Byron, who used to write some of his poetry in the bath! Definitely weird!
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Jacob Schoolcraft
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 07:06 |
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King Crimson- Red
I was disappointed in the album in 1974. In the 90s it grew to be this iconic masterpiece in Prog. To me...that is overrated. That is such an exaggeration. It wasn't groundbreaking to every Prog musician on the planet. An abundance of population like the album. Does that make it great to everyone? No it doesn't. It's ignorant to assume that it does. That is why it is overrated!! If you like the album ...fine! ..but placing it above and beyond Univers Zero and loads of other bands is ridiculous. That's an opinion not a fact. Music is subjective so in that case it may be iconic to anyone as a personal preference but it is not a fact that it is greater or better than anything else in Progressive Rock.. |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 07:39 |
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2112's flipside has 2.5 pearls IMHO Bangkok and Something For Nothing are downright excellent , and ditto to a lesser extent Twilight. The other two tracks are really nowhere (barely worthy of CoS caliber).
I don't see how over-rated these albums can be.  The debut is one of the most under-rated, while the second is universally considered a turd.
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Jared
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 08:30 |
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Maybe I'm easily pleased, but I think they are all 5 Star albums, except the Rush (Side A 5/5 B 3.5/5)
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Prog-jester
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:30 |
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gotta disagree with these, my picks for "overrated" from these bands would've been ITCOTCK, The Snow Goose and SEBTP And some examples of the little overrated albums, immediately followed by the slightly underrated ones from the same artists: Opeth - Blackwater Park (Ghost Reveries is the GOAT in my book) Marillion (h era) - both Brave and Marbles (Seasons End all the way for me) Marillion (Fish era) - Clutching At Straws (it still sounds like a Misplaced Childhood clone for me, can't understand all the praise) Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused to Sing (I'm sad To The Bone is so ignored) Fates Warning - the whole Arch era (yet 2000-2010s, their best period, gets little love for some reason) And some albums that I just consider a bit overrated: Änglagård - Hybris (it's a classic but I'd rather listen to Sinkadus) All Traps On Earth - s/t Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon Bacamarte - Depois do Fim Bubu - Anabelas Khan - Space Shanty Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra...honestly, most one-album-wonders from the 70s were not that great Also Yes, everything from Devin Townsend, Wobbler - they're ok but why you guys love them SO much? 
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moshkito
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:38 |
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Hi, Weird that in the 90's it was thought as "overrated" by some. When it came out, there was no "Prog", or even "Progressive" as a known term, and everyone just thought, like I did ... nice! Really nice! And very enjoyable. This is the tough part of how some folks rank/rate so many of these things according to TODAY's standards, instead of what I think was the time and place WHEN it came out, when the album was special and far out, and so different from the previous stuff that KC had done. One could say that they were "progressing" really nicely as opposed to many other bands that repeated themselves. For me, it's like saying that Beethoven's 3rd and 4th are overrated when compared to the 5th and the 9th ... and in the end, I think this is not respectful to the artist and his/her ability to give us so much music that we enjoy over and over again, and to think that we are almost to the 50th year after its release, makes me appreciate it even more, and the fact that KC still performs these in concert is special to me ... that was a magic time, 1972/1973, 1974 and 1975 ... when so much music made our heart go wow.
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TerLJack
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:54 |
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Reading this topic's headline at first, I was expecting this to be ultra negative. Not so much. You set it up nicely with your post.
My picks? The Wall for certain. It's good, but no WYWH or DSotM. Fragile? The epics are great. The solos for the most part? meh. In the Court of the Crimson King. Yes, I know it's groundbreaking, and prog would not exist without it, and blah blah blah. Half of it is just Fripp and the gang just noodling all about the place. IMHO. and.. oh this is not good.. I have never gotten into VDGG. It's not Peter Hammill's voice, as you might expect. I have some solo stuff by Peter I quite enjoy. Their music is a bit to "abrasive" for me? I'm really not sure what it is. I guess in this poll, at the end of the day, it's all about personal taste and opinions. (function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8a53aa636c625367',t:'MTcyMTMxODIyNi4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 09:56 |
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richardh
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Selling England By The Pound. Cinema Show, Dancing With The Moonlit Knight and Firth Of Fifth are masterpieces in their own right but the rest sounds 'thrown together' and it would have benefited from being 40 minutes rather than 55 minutes (lose Battle Of Epping Forest please!)
Dark Side Of The Moon. Actually a fantastic rock album but slightly overrated as a prog album. Also never understood the big deal about AP's production. Nearly everything else recorded in 1973 sounds better to me! Script For A Jesters Tear. Never been the biggest Marillion fan but I much prefer Fugazi which has better playing and seemed a bit more original to these ears. Hybris. Actually I love this album but it seems to overshadow a lot of equally good albums that were released in the 90's. Maybe like Marillion it was that 'first in gets the bacon' thing. Scenes From A Memory Pt2. Never could connect with this and there are other DT albums I like a lot more. However this one gets the masterpiece status while Octavarium, A Change Of Seasons and Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence skulk in it's shadow for reasons I never understand. and finally of course In The Court Of The Crimson King. Yep first in gets the bacon! |
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 10:19 |
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If you dislike CTTE more than just a little that's ok too but I'm wondering what it is about the album that puts you off so much.
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 10:29 |
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Genesis- "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway ...my seventh favorite Genesis album
Miles Davis- "Kind of Blue" ...not in my top ten Davis albums Supertramp- "Crime of the Century"..Not a top 100 album in my book Edited by omphaloskepsis - July 18 2024 at 10:29 |
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Posted: July 18 2024 at 10:35 |
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Sometimes I do think that the perspective from which albums are judged makes a big difference. Crime Of The Century is a perfect example. Great ''prog album'? Nope. Great ''arty pop album''?. Sure thing!
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Manuel
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Absolutely. Many artist put a lot of effort in the writing, instrumenting, orchestrating, recording, etc. of an album, just to be labeled "overrated" by somebody who doesn't have a clue how to do this, sometimes they don't even know how to play an musical instrument, let alone know how to write a song, only because it doesn't appeal to their taste. It seems quite unfair to me, honestly, and I don't agree with it at all. Of course it's only my opinion, but I'm glad there're at least a few people who agree with me.
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Posted: July 19 2024 at 01:02 |
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According to my tastes/evaluations, I see many albums very (and little) overrated in PA Top 200.
For example, very overrated: 1) JT: Thick as a Brick 2) Genesis: Nursery Crime 3) Gentle Giant: In A Glass House 4) Rush: all the albums 5) Pink Floyd: Meddle 6) Yes album 7) Camel: The Snow Goose 8) Al di Meola: all the albums 9) Mahavishnu Orchestra: All the albums 10) Opeth: all the albums 11) Anglagard all the albums 12) Death: all the albums 13) Riverside: all the albums 14) Return to forever: all the albums overrated/little overrated: 1) Yes: Fragile and little overrated Close to the edge 2) Genesis: Selling England and little overrated Foxtrot 3) Vdgg: Still Life and little overrated Godbluff 4) Pink Floyd: Animals and little overrated Dark Side 5) Camel: Moonmadness and Mirage 6) PFM: Per un amico and Isola di niente 7) Banco: Io sono nato libero 8) Emerson Lake and Palmer: all the albums 9) Porcupine Tree /Steve Wilson: little overrated all the albums 10) All Traps on Earth: lttle overrated all the albums 11) M. Oldfield: all the albums 12) Supertramp: little overrated Crime 13) King Crimson: litlle overrated Larks 14) Wobbler: litlle overrated all the albums 15) Gentle Giant: The Power and Free Hand The, Little overrated Harmonium, Metropolis part 2, In The Land, Obscura, De Pois do film etc. |
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Posted: July 19 2024 at 04:31 |
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From my favourite band/artist: Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet Steven Wilson - The Raven that refused to sing Pink Floyd - The Wall Genesis - Nursey Crime |
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Posted: July 19 2024 at 06:30 |
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Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom is overrated a lot.
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Posted: July 19 2024 at 06:41 |
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IQ - Resistance
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Psychedelic Paul
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I've noticed that too, although I would never say that.  By the same token, I could say my favourite band Mostly Autumn are overrated too, but only because I've given all of their albums the full five stars.  In the end, it all comes down to subjective opinion, where a 1-star turkey for me could be a 5-star masterpiece (and vice versa) from someone else's perspective.
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