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    Posted: July 17 2024 at 12:08
What prog albums do think are at least a little bit overrated. I mean you possibly still like them and they are still great (or at least good) but you think they are at least a tad overrated or maybe you just don't like them at all despite their reputation. Here's a few for me. I still like these though.


VDGG - Pawn Hearts (maybe I need to listen more but I probably prefer Godbluff)
King Crimson - Red (the title track is really repetitioius and the improv piece is well an improv piece. Anyway, I much prefer LTIA)
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia (not many "wow" moments imo)
Camel - Moonmadness (a solid album for sure but I still much prefer Mirage and The Snow Goose)
Rush - 2112 (I love side one but side 2 is probably their weakest side from the 70s although still good)
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery (some great stuff on here for sure but the karn evil 9 epic is too repetitious to be thoroughly enjoyable. I prefer the debut.)
Genesis - Foxtrot (supper's ready is the best thing they ever did but side one is a little spotty imo especially get em out by Friday which took me a long time to warm up to).



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Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans
Genesis - Trespass & Nursery Cryme
Rush - Moving Pictures & 2112
Pink Floyd - Animals & The Wall
ELP - Tarkus
Alan Parsons Project - Tales of Mystery and Imagination
Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord
Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Supertramp - the first two albums
Marillion - everything with Fish
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I used to agree with you about 2112, Red and In Absentia but they really grew on me as entire albums. The first side of 2112 is better but the second side finally clicked.
 
Brain Salad Surgery is also a grower. Not perfect but has also improved over the years as i've listened to it.

Totally agree with Foxtrot. Same goes for Nursery Crime. Really don't get what everyone sees in these albums as classics although i find Trespass and SEBTP to be masterpieces.

Personally tastes, go figure!



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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

What prog albums do think are at least a little bit overrated. I mean you possibly still like them and they are still great (or at least good) but you think they are at least a tad overrated or maybe you just don't like them at all despite their reputation. Here's a few for me. I still like these though.


VDGG - Pawn Hearts (maybe I need to listen more but I probably prefer Godbluff)
King Crimson - Red (the title track is really repetitioius and the improv piece is well an improv piece. Anyway, I much prefer LTIA)
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia (not many "wow" moments imo)
Camel - Moonmadness (a solid album for sure but I still much prefer Mirage and The Snow Goose)
Rush - 2112 (I love side one but side 2 is probably their weakest side from the 70s although still good)
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery (some great stuff on here for sure but the karn evil 9 epic is too repetitious to be thoroughly enjoyable. I prefer the debut.)
Genesis - Foxtrot (supper's ready is the best thing they ever did but side one is a little spotty imo especially get em out by Friday which took me a long time to warm up to).




Red and Brain Salad Surgery overrated? Nope. Nah. Nein!

I do agree about Camel. I think everything they released between Camel and the (underrated) Rain Dances is overrated.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2024 at 13:32
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans
Genesis - Trespass & Nursery Cryme
Rush - Moving Pictures & 2112
Pink Floyd - Animals & The Wall
ELP - Tarkus
Alan Parsons Project - Tales of Mystery and Imagination
Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord
Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Supertramp - the first two albums
Marillion - everything with Fish


Also disagree about Moving Pictures, Tarkus and Voyage of the Acolyte.

I think all of APP's are overrated, but Tales of Mystery and Imagination is far and away the best thing they ever did. The first side is stellar. After that, it's all downhill.

The Wall is the very definition of overrated, I concur.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Antoni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2024 at 13:48
Zopp's "Dominion" comes to mind. In my opinion, that's a significantly weaker album than the debut. To these ears, "Dominion" features weaker compositions, melodies, and production compared to the debut album, and, finally, those changes in musical direction weren't successful. Hence, I really don't understand why people are championing "Dominion" so much!
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In the Court of the Crimson King.

The opening tune is a masterpiece. The closing track is really good. The remainder is nothing special.
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ELP-Brain Salad Surgery-I much prefer what came before it
Genesis-Nursery Crime-I much prefer the previous "Trespass"
Eloy-Floating-it does nothing for me, I really dig the debut and especially "Inside" much more
The Soft Machine-debut and Volume Two-these first two albums are nonsense to me; their later albums like "Fourth" and "Seven" are much more focused and together recordings.

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Yes - The Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, Tales, Relayer
ELP - s/t, Trilogy
PFM - Storia di un Minuto
Pink Floyd - Animals
Maxophone - s/t
Collegium Musicum - Konvergenzie
Camel - the entire discography (sorry it's very boring for me)
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I used to agree with you about 2112, Red and In Absentia but they really grew on me as entire albums. The first side of 2112 is better but the second side finally clicked.
 
Brain Salad Surgery is also a grower. Not perfect but has also improved over the years as i've listened to it.

Totally agree with Foxtrot. Same goes for Nursery Crime. Really don't get what everyone sees in these albums as classics although i find Trespass and SEBTP to be masterpieces.

Personally tastes, go figure!



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I just listened to Nursery Cryme the other night and I think it might be a contender for best Genesis album. I think next to A Trick of the Tail it's probably their most consistent. SEBTP and Foxtrot both have a bit of low points (or as some people might say "filler") and the same goes for Lamb.

The only Yes album that might be a little overrated (these days anyway) is Close to the Edge. These days that's to prog what Dark Side of the Moon or Led Zepp 4 is to classic rock. Too bad the classic rock crowd never really caught on but in prog circles at least it's often seen as the GOAT.
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I counted 35 titles in PA's top prog albums, that according to my tastes are overrated, but I'm not going to name them. 
I can say which ones I disagree about that's been mentioned here instead: VDGG - Pawn Hearts, King Crimson - Red, Camel - Moonmadness, The Soft Machine - Volume Two, Genesis - Trespass & Nursery Cryme (my two favorite Genesis albums), PFM - Storia di un Minuto and finally:
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

In the Court of the Crimson King.
The opening tune is a masterpiece. The closing track is really good. The remainder is nothing special.

I know not everyone loves the whole album like I do, but thinking of Epitaph as nothing special, is just weird to me.
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Not sure whether it's "overrated" but VDGG's Godbluff does nothing for me, which is very surprising as it's their highest rated and I love all their albums around it (except World Record) to pieces.
I also think Wish You Were Here firmly belongs in the lower half of Pink Floyd's albums.
Another one from the category "highly rated albums from an artist I love that I don't think are that good" is Oldfield's Amarok, which is quite messy in my view, and it doesn't help that he intentionally damaged the flow of it just to annoy Richard Branson apparently.


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^Aside from DSOTM (and mainly because it's just been so overplayed on the radio) the only one by them I think is kind of overrated is Animals. "Dogs" is great but the other two main tracks ("sheep" and "pigs (three different ones") don't really do a whole lot for me. I think maybe part of this is because of the reduced role of Rick Wright. He's all over Wish You Were Here but other than the middle part of Dogs his synth seems to be mostly in the background which is a shame imo.

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Mostly DSofM and Misplaced Childhood. To a lesser degree Fragile. 
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Quite subjective topic, since it's based on personal taste, not on musical quality, knowledge, etc. I personally don't like the term "overrated," since it would mean I want to impose my views/taste over somebody's else.
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Änglagård Hybris
Tool Lateralus
The Mars Volta De-Loused in the Comatorium
Wobbler From Silence to Somewhere
Seven Impale Summit
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2024 at 22:33
Originally posted by Mystique Mystique wrote:

Änglagård Hybris
Tool Lateralus
The Mars Volta De-Loused in the Comatorium
Wobbler From Silence to Somewhere
Seven Impale Summit

I admittedly was a little underwhelmed when I first heard Seven Impale's Summit but I only listened to it once so far. Not bad but maybe just not the style I typically like and listen to. TMV I have to listen to again. They seem a bit wild. Hybris is a stone cold classic though and the Wobbler is very good too but need to listen to more.
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Certainly not a new subject, maybe except from the "little" Big smile
but okay, some of them are and maybe not just little:

King Crimson - Discipline
Rush - Moving Pictures
Yes - Fragile
Tull - TaaB
VdGG - Pawn Hearts


Edited by David_D - July 18 2024 at 04:26
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Close To The Edge - although, TBH, I don’t really like it very much at all, so maybe I’m wrong to include it here!

Marbles - it IS a good album, but it’s not great. Too much filler!

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Everything from Genesis (sorry but I've never been able to survive an entire album in one shot)

But The Lamb is a great exception to what I have written above. 
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