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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Online Points: 5675 |
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Some albums are considered super mega ultra masterpieces even though they don't really have any good musical content and their warm reviews are usually influenced by how legendary or iconic they are. Here's a couple of my picks:
Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Can - Tago Mago Univers Zero - Uzed Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica Edited by Hrychu - July 09 2024 at 19:43 |
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Rubycon is a masterpiece and one of Tangerine Dream's finest works. It's just not for you.
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Ditto on Tago Mago. Totally respect it, and I do find it interesting, but can't enjoy it. Most of the Tangerine Dream I have heard makes me feel similarly. It's certainly stimulating to me from an historical perspective, but I don't think I'm in a place in my life where I can really fully appreciate albums like Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon, etc. Maybe Ricochet, I'll have to re-listen.
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Junges ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 19 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 646 |
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This is a contradiction. If an album is great, then by its very definition it must contain good songs..
Then maybe you should rename the thread to "Albums that are considered masterpieces, but you don't like" or something like that. The current name now leads to confusion.
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My thoughts exactly.
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Online Points: 5675 |
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Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom. I've tried several times to tolerate this highly rated album, but I can't. Not for me.
Also, any Flower Kings album. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - July 10 2024 at 05:28 |
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Mormegil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: NE PA Status: Offline Points: 7683 |
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Steven Wilson - Hand.Cannot.Erase.
More like "ears.cannot.stand", or any SW for that matter, no matter how many listens.
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43312 |
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I wholeheartedly agree with you on Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, and mainly due to Logan's recommendation, I've really tried to like Rock Bottom after listening to the album several times, but it still remains near the bottom of my rockpile, and on the subject of The Flower Kings, I half-heartedly agree with you. In other words, I like all of The Flower Kings albums but can't for the life of me remember any of their songs - apart from The Flower King, obviously.
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Your topic is not rightly named (as someone suggested), but also, you speak of "songs", about albums that really don't contain any: "Songs" imply that there are sung vocals - which disqualifies instrumental music pieces (which can be called "tracks", "numbers" or "pieces").
You listed two very different phases of TD Zeit is very different from Ruvbycon & Phaedra. I can totally understand where the beatless Zeit can be boring and quite unsettling, but once the sequencers appear in Tangerine's creation, it becomes very different yes, start with Ricochet for a reassessment (it's the most Floydian of their albums) |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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Most of IQ, and Neal Morse's albums are considered great, but as hard as I've tried, I can't get into them. Same with Dream Theatre, and the whole prog metal genre.
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Edited by Hrychu - July 10 2024 at 06:11 |
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Hi, Hmmmm ... what if the album is NOT about songs? I have never, once in 50 years, thought of TD or Klaus Schulze as "songs". Sad to see a thread like this ... I'm not sure that the responses will make much sense. In many ways, the "song" thing is what is going to hurt "progressive music" and "progressive rock", or "prog rock". It makes it look like all music that is made and created has to conform to the conventional/commercial standard of "song" and "format". I hope that never happens, and would love to see PA do a bit more on that concept. What started the thing that helped create PA was the progressive elements, not the regressive, and form/style ideas. Oh yeah, Beethoven's 5th has no good songs at all! Neither does Mahler's 3rd!
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I think it was pretty clear that the thread's author meant tracks, compositions or whatever-word-makes you-happy when he wrote "songs". He even wrote "any musical content". So I don't understand the need to be pedantic, when it is pretty clear what he meant..
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The title seems contradictory but I'll try to play along.
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting Mike Oldfield - Incantations (and maybe his other 70s works) |
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The corporate stadium rock version of Pink Floyd. Although often highly rated on this site, I find most of what Floyd did after Dark Side to be boring and tedious. I do love their early music though.
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Don't agree, but "ears.cannot.stand" made me laugh...thanks...
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If the thread title's a spoof, you have to roll with it. |
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Most psyche prog that is highly rated probably. Some bands need great songs some don't. For instance The Moody Blues are all about the songs, then something like Tales From Topographic Oceans or Amarok is anything but. No need to have rules about this. Camel's The Snow Goose and Rick Wakeman's Six Wives Of Henry VIII have no songs but they sort of actually do compared to say Tangerine Dream's seventies albums up to and inc Ricochet. Yes I'm waffling bit basically asking just what is a 'song' anyway?
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