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From what I've heard from Moshkito, my impression is that he's mostly looking for innovation. I understand that, and I also love when bands innovate. But I'm also looking for substance, and musicianship:

1. Substance (songwriting)
2. Musicianship
3. Innovation

There are other criteria, but this is how I prioritise the above three. When it comes to innovation, I have heard so much innovative music during the last four decades, plus I've played a lot myself (on the guitar and keyboards), and listened to so many discussions about music theory and watched documentaries on how my favorite bands write and record their music, that I'm now much less easily impressed by flashy "innovation" at the expense of musicianship and/or substance. 

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

From what I've heard from Moshkito, my impression is that he's mostly looking for innovation. I understand that, and I also love when bands innovate. But I'm also looking for substance, and musicianship:

1. Substance (songwriting)
2. Musicianship
3. Innovation
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Hi,

Not quite right ... for me, it has less to do with many thoughts:

Substance (without words, you don't know what the substance is!) -- All of us learn this by listening to classical music. The substance, then, becomes the visual that we create for the piece, and it is not exactly the same a few days apart. The note that hit you yesterday did not sound the same today! Substance is an illusion, and a desire for us to think that we know more than the originator.

Musicianship -- We have this idea that only folks that can play the circle of idiots know "music" and no one else can stand up. Musicianship, for me, is not about how much you know or feature a lot of the details that instructors gave you in high school or college. Musicianship is about how you interpreted your inner vision with something that we think is intuitive, and not mentally defined and designed. Improvisation in its purest form, does not need "musicianship" ... it only needs a desire to be there and enjoy the experience. Again, just because someone knows music, has nothing to do with it all ... and sincerely, the folks that know the most in music, often are the least creative of them all ... sure they put out a lot of stuff ... the same thing more or less.

Innovation -- I do not, necessarily go for "innovation" and as an example, the group of folks that (in England) became Henry Cow and many others, were not exactly something I spent my money on ... Faust was more fun, and less enthralled by their "talent". Innovation, might be the "next step" in the history of music and how it changes each century, and in the 20th century it could have been Stravinsky, Herrmann, and the experimental electronics very early. Innovation was, for example, the sounds in the film "Forbidden Planet" ... and how they helped define what became known as "space" in the realms of music. Stuff that we did not know how they "fit" into our imagination, since we always find that we have to fix/fit an image to a note, for example ... which created the illusion that major is happy and minor is sad. 

We, in general, do not like, or care for "innovation" and this is very clear in PA when the comments about a lot of music is just a sentence or a paragraph ... which for me, is similar to ... you did not hear the whole thing. And many times, a lot of the comments are so generic as to make them look like some form of AI, which we knew that sooner or later was gonna come up since we don't believe in ourselves and our ability and we always feel that there is something better out there that some universe god created ... it's this kind of BS that really takes the creativity out of the arts ... in the end, we are afraid of what we don't know and always fight to make sure we "know" ... thus, in many ways, "innovation" is not easy, and not very likely to stand up in a lot of places.

One more thing ... trying to define me in one word is a mistake. I'm multi-cultural and multi-national and do not exactly conform to any of the cultures or nationalities. Why? Because there are many more out there that are just as cultural in the arts, but we think that we own the idea and the concept. I'm really tired of that thought, btw ... very boring!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2024 at 08:35
^ Conciseness is a skill, as well as being able to stay on-topic.

I think the BEST way to find out what someone likes is to see a list of favorites. Instead of trying (and failing) to describe it, show it! And that is exactly what you are usually refusing to do. Of course you are under no obligation whatsoever to post a list of your favorite releases from 2024, or maybe even a list of releases you do not like. But until you do, the best we can do is speculate. Smile

BTW: It is deeply offensive for you to suggest that the less someone says/writes about a release, the less they have listened to it. There can be many other - and I would say much more likely - reasons for that.
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Release Friday today! Smile

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Focus 12 2024
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Mysterious Atmospheric Exp Prog Post Black
"I love how they combine harsh black metal with mysterious synth layers in a really memorable way." (Mike, 1m ago)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2024 at 10:06
"Do not say a little in many words, but a great deal in a few" (Pythagoras).
"Easier said than done" (Logan).

I only have two more albums, Uboa's and Herhum's.  The order does not mean very much, especially as there is some major contrast in the music, and feel awkward ranking when they have their own unique qualities and virtues.

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^ just listened to the Eunochs. Should be on PA. Eclectic probably. A bit too derivative of black midi and Black Country, New Road but enjoyable



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2024 at 11:54
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ just listened to the Eunochs. Should be on PA. Eclectic probably. A bit too derivative of black midi and Black Country, New Road but enjoyable


Agreed on all counts.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ Conciseness is a skill, as well as being able to stay on-topic.
...

I think the BEST way to find out what someone likes is to see a list of favorites. 
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Hi,

Sorry ... I'm not a show off trying to prove my this or that with numbers or your insistence on continually saying that I am wrong.

Not interested in fame or showing up my tastes, though I do post in other threads, but not those you do!!!!


Edited by moshkito - July 05 2024 at 12:47
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2024 at 16:21
^ how is showing one’s favorite releases “showing off”?
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^ He hates lists and has made that clear ad nauseum. I'm admittedly a bit lazy and could post a few comments but I quite like the enjoyment of posting a list. It should be 'live and let live'. I'm heartily sick of Pedro's condescending attitude but no one seems to want to do anything about it so I have to put up with it. I should point out that I have no agenda whatsover here. I only come on to kill a few hours and hopefully get a few recommendations and find out what's what. I don't believe there is any objective truth to be found. Listen to what you want, enjoy what you want and move on if it doesn't suit or fit then bill. There is a helluva lot of music about and I know I'm barely scatching the surface. 
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My main motivation for posting a list is seeing everybody else’s lists and thus learning about exciting new releases. And I don’t really care how long the lists are … if you only liked one album, then just mention that album. This is not about lists or ranking releases, it’s about sharing knowledge.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2024 at 13:34
For me it's about sharing what I have discovered, know, and what interests me, and I am interested to see what others like and I like to compare lists and interests.  It might help if I would at least describe each album a bit, even if it's just sharing the tags/genre labels.  I do like sharing specific tracks off albums to hone in on my and others interests as  a way to expose people to acts, albums, styles etc.  What I have always wished is that we would try to respond and comment on each others lists more rather than just listing our own as I like that interactivity.  I like, say, the Interactive Polls because we listen, show interest in and comment on what all who participate decide to share.  It feels more communal and like the listening room experience I have always wanted at PA.  I like seeing the lists, but this is still a discussion forum so hopefully we are discussing each others choices and trying to get to know a bit, at least, about the music, and maybe sharing our own impressions of other people's likes.  This of course happens, but I do sometime wish it was more the norm.  That can be time-consuming, and we all have our preferred ways of communicating, sharing and socialising online, I guess.  A big part of it for me it trying to make connections, both with people and music.  But being an introvert who mostly favours being alone, I'm also not the most sociable of people.
What bothers me is when others complain about or make broad claims about how they think others think, what approaches they think others make, and how wrong it is.... It is disrespectful, uncharitable, and often lacking justification or evidence for the claims, and arrogant to think that one's attitude, approach and thinking is better than others.  I would rather hear people talk from their own perspective about what they think rather than talking about what they think others think and are doing wrong from their perspective.  "I like" are two of my favourite words.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2024 at 16:08
Agreed! Maybe I should not have speculated about Moshkito’s approach like I did. I was (and am) just curious about which releases he actually likes, and maybe I should just accept his decision not to share the information.
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Members of the world, present

Live and let live, I guess.  People don't like to feel lectured to, as in  what to think, how to think, what [the think] you think they think etc. I do think as a courtesy to the OP it is generally good to try to be faithful to the spirit of the topic, and to try to work within the OP's framework generally. So in this case it's about looking for album recommendations from 2024, so that's what I would be expecting.  I often do appreciate digressions in my own topics, especially if people already tried to approach the topic as I presented it.  Being able to work within others rules demonstrates flexibility and adaptability and being able to move beyond and think out of the box can show creativity.  No name or names, but I wish some would just try to approach-and-go with the topic as posed rather than going off on their own agenda (which often show the limitations of said user or users especially if those points are raised again and again....).

Some are uncomfortable sharing lists and feel they know too little (or have not kept track...).  I expect that some are shy to show theirs (the members) because they feel insecure about the length (I think Freud had something to say about the length of our lists). I think it is not just about the length, but also the girth of the list matters (a wide variety of albums).  My list is fairly short and lacks girth. Of course the quality matters, but that is so subjective, and then there is how you use it.  I think I use my lists reasonably well, at least for my purposes....

 Just one more album added to my list and a slight re-arranging.  I'm just quite busy discovering music from many years.

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Beth Gibbons
Prog-Adj Art Folk

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3album cover

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St. Vincent

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The Smile

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Prog-Adj Folk

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Prizes Roses Rosa (Panda Rosa)

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11album cover

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Magick Brother & Mystic Sister

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Glass Beach
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From what I can tell so far 2024 is a pretty crappy year for prog (unfortunately). Oh well.
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Will checkout The Eunuchs
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Agreed! Maybe I should not have speculated about Moshkito’s approach like I did. I was (and am) just curious about which releases he actually likes, and maybe I should just accept his decision not to share the information.

Hi,

I can't answer your question. So far, the things I have heard are nice, but that's about it for me. I might find something more interesting the more I listen, but so far, nothing has made me feel ... wow ... that's far out.

I listen to a lot of music, including new stuff that is not even mentioned here, but shows up on Space Pirate Radio. Guy has connections to a lot of record groups, and he gets a lot of their material first hand, and he plays them. A lot of the stuff is more electronic, than it is "rock", and at my age, I think the electronic is more appealing than not. I guess you could say that I get bored with the conventional line up and format of a lot of stuff being shown. For ME, at that point it's just a different note or chord.


Edited by moshkito - July 07 2024 at 07:12
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So far, I am finding and preferring albums that I missed hearing from 2023 over albums from 2024. 2023 was quite remarkable in the number of albums I really enjoyed. I don't think any of my 2024 favorites would make my 2023 top 10.
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At this point I don't yet feel comfortable ranking my favourites of this year so far, so here's an alphabetical list of 2024 albums from PA artists that have earned my recommendation:

•    The Banach-Tarski Paradox – Contours, Vol. 1
•    Beings – There Is A Garden
•    Can – Live In Paris 1973
•    Cassiber – Collaborations
•    Cyano – Sarek
•    Dead Space Chamber Music & Hackedepicciotto – Live Improvisation, Crypt Of St. John On The Wall
•    Martín Escalante & Ryoko Ono – Martín Escalante & Ryoko Ono DUO2
•    GEN & Ryoko Ono – GEN & Ryoko Ono DUO
•    Grdina Lillinger – Duo Work
•    Mary Halvorson – Cloudward
•    Rob Harrison – Explode My Head
•    Lost World Band – A Moment of Peace
•    Música D’Repuesto – Música Para Ciudades De 15 Minutos, Vol. 1
•    Dave Newhouse – Natura Morta
•    Yoshihide Otomo & Chris Pitsiokos – Uncanny Mirror
•    Tom Penaguin – Tom Penaguin
•    Perfect – Monkey Jockey Man and the Safari Tick Sugar
•    El Pricto, Don Malfon & Vasco Trilla – Behenii (Part 1)
•    The Smile – Wall Of Eyes
•    Pat Smythe Quartet – New Dawn: Live 1973
•    Tantric Bile – Cursed Conception
•    François Thollot – Point Of View
•    Uboa – Impossible Light
•    Pierre Vervloesem – Saucers
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