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Poll Question: Which of these bands did not do it for you or did it the least?
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4 [7.41%]
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3 [5.56%]
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7 [12.96%]
2 [3.70%]
1 [1.85%]
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3 [5.56%]
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^ I have a strong feeling there are other bands on your list that I'd dislike even more than the Swans - such as Art Zoyd, Mr. Bungle & Univers Zero for instance - but I'm not familiar enough with their albums to vote for them. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 11:35
^ Do you mean dislike more than the first few albums of Swans, or dislike more than, say, The Burning World?

And yes, I don't think you would possibly find as much music to appreciate from those as with Swans. Mr. Bungle is hit and miss with me. I like the album California, and love the track "Pink Cigarette" but I had not liked the first two albums (now I find music to enjoy off all three albums, but it's only quite recently that I finally got into Bungle when re-listening to California).

For me it can be sometimes just about finding the right song or musical moment that opens an artist up, and that may lead to me being able to appreciate more music avenues. We do have very different approaches to discovering, listening to and appreciating music. You might well find some Art Zoyd and Univers Zero to appreciate if you researched and asked for recommendations. This early Art Zoyd is very different from the later music (and Art Zoyd has differences depending on the period):

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^ Yes, it's the first three albums by the Swans that I disliked most of all. Life is too short to listen to a full album by Art Zoyd, Mr. Bungle or Univers Zero, so I can't really compare them. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 12:12
^ That's why I so often mention and share specific tracks rather than full albums or playlists of full albums. Takes a few minutes to acquaint oneself with something, and maybe expand one's horizons in the process.

Speaking of playlists, I definitely caught the make my own playlists bug back in the 80s with cassette to cassette and record to cassette and sometimes radio to cassette compilations and then more recently thanks to Geo's (Mathman) youtube playlist-making for the Interactive Polls.
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^ Sadly, I haven't made any YouTube playlists for over two years, ever since YouTube deleted three of my six Prog Britannia channels without warning or explanation. Ouch
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 12:28
^ One thing I try to do is just use officially uploaded youtube videos (by the artist or labels) and I generally will only do one track from an album per playlist. I used to upload music for my old account, mostly for PA evaluation purposes. I have had no issues with my playlists account nor even with my old account other than I can't access it anymore. I tended to focus with my old one on the more obscure and I generally avoided uploading full albums -- and I was careful with disclaimers. One should know something about fair use/ fair dealing. By the way, I am in the works for uploading original content to youtube, but I need to get better equipment.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 13:00
An important thing to me is to be fair to an artist/ band, which means if making overall claims of the worth of the material one should be sufficiently familiar with the oeuvre (collected works) to be able to justify it. A limited superficial listening commonly won't cut it. And sometimes in some cases it does take time to acclimate to the music, and can depend on one's mood, and may require multiple listenings to really absorb the music. I would rather start with an artist where I have reason to believe that the music will most suit me, and then other music by the band might open up to me.

Some are too prone to generalisations, too prone to quickly judging artists and styles, and giving and thinking in specifics can help give comprehensible meaning to the claims and feelings. Like if one were saying that x band with many releases over the years with diversity sucks or is not for you based on listening to too limited material. Many artists change style over time, learn new skills, try new things (for good, neutral or ill depending on the listener).
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Ultimately, I voted for the Residents. I don't dislike them but having listened to a few albums in the past, never really warmed up to. Also considered Black Midi.
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^^ Your musical tastes are much more adventurous than mine. I generally avoid anything that's labelled as Avant Prog or Zeuhl. Smile 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote King of Loss Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 14:28
Magma is like one of my favorite bands, I ultimately picked Squid as all of the others are some of my favorites too, but Magma is like for me one of the prog greats. I'd pick them to represent Avant-Prog as the subgenre as a whole.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2024 at 15:38
^Nothing about Magma is avant-prog. Constant repetition, what Magma play (Zeuhl), is not a trait that defines avant. Complex, weird, and constantly changing rhythms, nuances, and time signatures define avant-prog.
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If Zeuhl wasn't a sub-genre where would Magma fit best?
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

If Zeuhl wasn't a sub-genre where would Magma fit best?
Eclectic. But I would label it Shrieky Trance Opera.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2024 at 15:46
Multiple votes would have made a better poll imho.
Having said that there at least 6 or 7 on the list that are all very annoying to me....and several more that simply are not my cup of tea.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2024 at 18:54
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

If Zeuhl wasn't a sub-genre where would Magma fit best?
Eclectic. But I would label it Shrieky Trance Opera.


Eclectic would fit Magma, of course Zeuhl is just category based on a Kobaian word by Magma for various inspired and similar bands. Many of those could fit in the RIO/Avant Prog category, and some JRF. Magma has played in RIO fests and inspired RIO bands (Art Zoyd for instance) and so it could be in RIO/Avant Prog too. It could be in JRF, especially for the early albums.... Shrieky is an aspect sometimes when Christian Vander is singing, especially when he seems to be doing Hitler impersonation. Said it in another post, but to me Magma really peaked with its debut album from 1970, which I think is such and audacious, adventurous, exuberant, eclectic album that still sounds fresh and exiting to me today. And I find Vander such an accomplished drummer. Still wows me to this day. And I do think it so masterful compared to the vast number of debuts in PA, including those classics of Prog such as Genesis, Yes, Rush, not to mention later ones like Dream Theater etc.

Of course to each his or own, but I think Magma is brilliant across its career (even if the debut is my favourite) and so good live. I have 20 or so Magma albums (live and studio), and I think some complaints I have heard are absurd reductions and hyperbolic when it comes to Magma. And a lot of serious musicians respect Magma and its leader Chistian Vander. To me it is one of the greatest bands in PA and has proved itself over the years both with its studio albums and live concerts. Of course I'm biased.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2024 at 19:07
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Multiple votes would have made a better poll imho.
Having said that there at least 6 or 7 on the list that are all very annoying to me....and several more that simply are not my cup of tea.
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Looking at the poll itself is not of much interest to me, I prefer to read the posts and put names to the opinions. Of course one is free to list every band one does not like, or likes, from the choices. I think by narrowing the options it might help to focus one's mind on paying especial consideration to one and hopefully saying something about why it does not appeal, one's experience with the band, and which music you have listened to... I like such details, and I think it can help with conversation.

While I commonly do do multiple votes for polls I make, in this case I was concerned about abuse because I know that it does happen. Like someone might vote for one option many times, vote for ones that that person doesn't know, try to spoil the poll.... It's sad, it's immature, but I have seen such mischief many times at PA. It can be used as a big FU to kinds of music that do not appeal (or the one with the alternate taste), and can be negativity for the sake of negativity and chaos for the sake of chaos.

By the way, I went to a cool book store in a trendy part of Vancouver yesterday and they were playing the whole Radiohead OK Computer album. I thought, this is my kind of place. And there prominently displayed was a large book on the band Can.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mellotron Storm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2024 at 19:41
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

If Zeuhl wasn't a sub-genre where would Magma fit best?
Eclectic. But I would label it Shrieky Trance Opera.


That makes sense to me.
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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

If Zeuhl wasn't a sub-genre where would Magma fit best?
Avant-Prog
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Speaking of avant-prog, I'm seeing the Flying Luttenbachers tomorrow. Embarrassed
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2024 at 20:03
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Speaking of avant-prog, I'm seeing the Flying Luttenbachers tomorrow. Embarrassed


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