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From what I understand, Mister Ten Percent is about a band basically saying "good riddance" to their manager, who's retiring. But, one piece of the puzzle doesn't fit and that is "Lucky Girl". It seems almost as if it was a loose Köllen composition shoehorned it at the last minute in order to have something on the album with Helmut Köllen's writing credit (contractual reasons?).

Does any Triumvirat aficionado here perhaps know for sure why that is?
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

From what I understand, Mister Ten Percent is about a band basically saying "good riddance" to their manager, who's retiring. But, one piece of the puzzle doesn't fit and that is "Lucky Girl". It seems almost as if it was a loose Köllen composition shoehorned it at the last minute in order to have something on the album with Helmut Köllen's writing credit (contractual reasons?).

Does any Triumvirat aficionado here perhaps know for sure why that is?
 

In all my time of researching Triumvirat, and through my communications with band members and close friends and family of the band, I never heard that this writing credit belonging to Helmut was done for a "contractual reason". Helmut was just getting his "sea legs" in writing a song with English lyrics at this time (the lyrics were written by drummer Hans Bathelt)- his songwriting contribution is so minute on this record is because at the time of it's creation, Koellen did not know English and had to learn to read and sing the lyrics phonetically in order to sing English at all. I don't think there is any legal reason behind that dynamic in the band at that time.  Also, nothing in recording the album was done "at the last minute" or "shoehorned in"-quite the opposite occurred-the band took many months to complete the record, with record company EMI repeatedly questioning them as to "when will you get this record done?".


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Thank you. Very interesting trivia. I'm not familiar with the band's lore, thus I can only guess.

I have however heard about the fact that Helmut learned the lyrics to the songs on IoaDD phonetically. It's crazy. There was no internet in the 70's (duh), and because of that, not much English-language audio/audiovisual content outside of English-speaking countries was easy or cheap to obtain. So I guess the best option at the time was to simply make friends with a native speaker, if you could find one. It's quite impressive, that Helmut pulled it off so well. His pronunciation was superb and at first listening, before reading about it, I was 100% certain he was a fluent speaker. xD

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I have a theory that the fella who read the short narration ("Mine is the road to nowhere...) in the title track, might've had some input in instructing Helmut Köllen how to sing in English. It's just a theory, but whatevs; I thought it'd share it for funs.

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Thank you. Very interesting trivia. I'm not familiar with the band's lore, thus I can only guess.

I have however heard about the fact that Helmut learned the lyrics to the songs on IoaDD phonetically. It's crazy. There was no internet in the 70's (duh), and because of that, not much English-language audio/audiovisual content outside of English-speaking countries was easy or cheap to obtain. So I guess the best option at the time was to simply make friends with a native speaker, if you could find one. It's quite impressive, that Helmut pulled it off so well. His pronunciation was superb and at first listening, before reading about it, I was 100% certain he was a fluent speaker. xD

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I have a theory that the fella who read the short narration ("Mine is the road to nowhere...) in the title track, might've had some input in instructing Helmut Köllen how to sing in English. It's just a theory, but whatevs; I thought it'd share it for funs.

Thanks for your reply. I do very appreciate your keen interest in the band, and interesting insights you share!
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Thank you. Very interesting trivia. I'm not familiar with the band's lore, thus I can only guess.

I have however heard about the fact that Helmut learned the lyrics to the songs on IoaDD phonetically. It's crazy. There was no internet in the 70's (duh), and because of that, not much English-language audio/audiovisual content outside of English-speaking countries was easy or cheap to obtain. So I guess the best option at the time was to simply make friends with a native speaker, if you could find one. It's quite impressive, that Helmut pulled it off so well. His pronunciation was superb and at first listening, before reading about it, I was 100% certain he was a fluent speaker. xD

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I have a theory that the fella who read the short narration ("Mine is the road to nowhere...) in the title track, might've had some input in instructing Helmut Köllen how to sing in English. It's just a theory, but whatevs; I thought it'd share it for funs.

Thanks for your reply. I do very appreciate your keen interest in the band, and interesting insights you share! Btw, the person doing the narration, Peter Cadera, was a roadie for the band back in the day. I looked him up on facebook but got no reply after requesting a friendship. lol oh, well, life goes on....
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I have been facebook friends with former Triumvirat singers Barry Palmer and David Hanselmann for quite some time, and both have mentioned something is in the works-what and to what extent I do not know, yet-regarding a revival of Triumvirat.....Hanselmann said he had been in conversation with Juergen Fritz.....I will keep you people that are interested posted of developments.
It has been communicated, today by a Cologne Music Company that Triumvirat's Juergen Fritz will be releasing "Triumvirat Melodies" soon! I will keep all posted on further news on this!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jacob Schoolcraft Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2024 at 21:41
I always desired a live album from Triumvirat in the 70s. It never happened. Not that I can remember...however..if someone had the recordings of "In Concert" , audience and all..that would make a great live cd release from Triumvirat.

Some of the most obscure bands released live albums. Maybe there was a live concert of Triumvirat in the last 20 some years. Maybe pulled from the archive vault. I wouldn't mind hearing that. I think it would be interesting and I'd definitely buy the cd.
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