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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 14:03
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

This one. And you know damn well what I'm talking about, you just ran out of arguments.





Could you please copy and paste what response/reality is upsetting me?  I don't know what you're talking about. Be specific. As long as you respond in generalities and vague opinions about arguments that I have not made...with the exception that I speculate that whoever wins the most swing states in 2024...becomes our next President.  However, that is not an argument. It's just my opinion. 

I don't feel upset.  I have not stated an argument.  I posted a law. I posted links to polls.  I asked questions.Wink

  Let me make an argument...My argument is that I did not make an argument.  However, what follows is an argument. 

I posted a factual law.  That is not an argument.  It's a statement of the current reality of American law. If you believe it's an argument.  Please explain how. 

I posted links to polls.  That is not an argument.  If you disagree with the poll...feel free to post your own polls.

I asked questions.  Questions are not arguments.  If you believe questions are arguments...please provide proof and your explanation on how a question is an argument.  Please provide specific answers, examples with explanations, or something more lucid than "This One".   I provided specific polls, questions, and a law. Please don't be vague.Wink




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 13:38
This one. And you know damn well what I'm talking about, you just ran out of arguments.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 13:33
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Please answer the question, that I asked.
 
I replied to the question you asked "Specifically, what are my hypotheses/speculations?" by showing them.

I understand you want to drag us into you delusional theories, but that's not how I work: I'm just deconstructing your logic (or maybe I should say your lack thereof...). You can bring in many other topics, but they will not answer the question at hand: the law regarding voting rights of illegal aliens. It has been addressed above; you don't like the response/reality so you try to drag things into other territories: the by now classic strategy of conspiracy theorists and extremists. You've become very transparent in that respect.


What "response/reality" do I not like?  Please explain, because I don't understand what you are talking about.Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 13:10
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Please answer the question, that I asked.
 
I replied to the question you asked "Specifically, what are my hypotheses/speculations?" by showing them.

I understand you want to drag us into you delusional theories, but that's not how I work: I'm just deconstructing your logic (or maybe I should say your lack thereof...). You can bring in many other topics, but they will not answer the question at hand: the law regarding voting rights of illegal aliens. It has been addressed above; you don't like the response/reality so you try to drag things into other territories: the by now classic strategy of conspiracy theorists and extremists. You've become very transparent in that respect.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 12:57
Hey, it's just one big "Uniparty"... according to Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Margie?   Are you here?   Did you join a prog website to harass anyone who sees through the psychosis of the right-wing?   

Welcome anyway, I'd rather you be here than following & pestering kids who were in a mass shooting.   We could use you're kind of moxie here !


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 12:50
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

You speak in the plural form of my hypotheses.  Specifically, what are my hypotheses/speculations? 

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

If two million illegals vote for Biden and Trump loses by less than 100,000 votes...Are you OK with the illegal votes counting for Biden?   If Trump takes this law to court...in your opinion, should the illegal votes count or not?   If Trump becomes the next President of the USA IF the court overturns the illegal votes would you be for the illegal's votes counting?

QED


Please answer the question, that I asked.  It's a Yes/No question?  Should illegal's votes count...if that's the only way that Biden can defeat Trump?

I ask this question because all the swing states went for Biden in 2020.  You live in France. In America, we use the Electoral College system.   Please don't think that is a hypothesis or conspiracy theory.  It's true. Wink

I speculate ( Yes, you can accuse me of this speculation)...I speculate that the Presidential candidate (Trump/Biden) who wins the most swing states...wins the 2024 election.Smile  

The Washington Post found that the 2020 winner would have changed by flipping just over 81,000 votes in four states (Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin and Georgia).

What is the current state of the swing states?  Well, it depends on which media outlet you use.  
Here is a recent, fairly balanced article on the Swing State situation...

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/06/biden-trump-election-swing-states

And a recent state-by-state Presidential election poll...

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 12:14
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

You speak in the plural form of my hypotheses.  Specifically, what are my hypotheses/speculations? 

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

If two million illegals vote for Biden and Trump loses by less than 100,000 votes...Are you OK with the illegal votes counting for Biden?   If Trump takes this law to court...in your opinion, should the illegal votes count or not?   If Trump becomes the next President of the USA IF the court overturns the illegal votes would you be for the illegal's votes counting?

QED

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 12:06
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Oh, you're funny. Someone shows you the "bottom line" of the law you asked for but then you deflect with a series of hypothetical statements: 4 in total. If, if, if, if... I'm waiting for "solid evidence with statistics for these", because your hypotheses are based on nothing but speculations put forward by the typical far-right extremists narrative and ideologies. Just for once admit that you're one of them.



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The law is the law.  I was curious what my fellow PA member's opinions were. What's wrong with that?  The PA site thrives on facts combined with opinions.   Facts?  Who is in the band?  Opinions? Album ratings. 

You speak in the plural form of my hypotheses.  Specifically, what are my hypotheses/speculations?  
I quoted a law.  How is that a hypothesis?  I asked questions.  How are my questions hypotheses? Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 11:37
^ Oh, you're funny. Someone shows you the "bottom line" of the law you asked for but then you deflect with a series of hypothetical statements: 4 in total. If, if, if, if... I'm waiting for "solid evidence with statistics for these", because your hypotheses are based on nothing but speculations put forward by the typical far-right extremists narrative and ideologies. Just for once admit that you're one of them.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2024 at 11:01
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

What's the bottom line on the law?   How the courts rule on the law...if there is a flood of illegal votes. 
§611. Voting by aliens
Effective Date of 2000 Amendment

611has been on the books in one form or another since June 25, 1948, and the most recent Amendment was effective as of 2000.  So, the law has been in its present form for 24 years. To date, there has been no flood of aliens voting. The fact is, voter fraud is extremely rare (far less than a percentage point). And in those cases where voter fraud is actually confirmed, the chance of said fraudulent voter being a white Republican is far greater than all other designations, parties or peoples. And I'm not even counting the fake Republican electors who are in the process of being prosecuted. 


If two million illegals vote for Biden and Trump loses by less than 100,000 votes...Are you OK with the illegal votes counting for Biden?   If Trump takes this law to court...in your opinion, should the illegal votes count or not?   If Trump becomes the next President of the USA IF the court overturns the illegal votes would you be for the illegal's votes counting?


Please prove your claim that "the chance of said fraudulent voter being a white Republican is far greater than all other designations, parties or peoples."  is true.  I'm waiting for solid evidence with statistics...because your claim infers stats to support your claim.Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2024 at 19:35
^ Hear, hear.

It is becoming much more clear that the vast majority of immigrants not only don't fraudulently vote, they are largely law-abiding people who are just glad to be here.

The right-wing is a sick, demented, unethical, anti-human group of people who are so desperate that they've convinced themselves it's better to lie, cheat & steal.   Their days are numbered in this country, and shame on anyone who continues to support this sociopathic movement.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2024 at 17:58
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

What's the bottom line on the law?   How the courts rule on the law...if there is a flood of illegal votes. 
§611. Voting by aliens
Effective Date of 2000 Amendment

611has been on the books in one form or another since June 25, 1948, and the most recent Amendment was effective as of 2000.  So, the law has been in its present form for 24 years. To date, there has been no flood of aliens voting. The fact is, voter fraud is extremely rare (far less than a percentage point). And in those cases where voter fraud is actually confirmed, the chance of said fraudulent voter being a white Republican is far greater than all other designations, parties or peoples. And I'm not even counting the fake Republican electors who are in the process of being prosecuted. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2024 at 10:00
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Yes, but you know that reading and understanding legal texts is not the conspiracy theorist's forte...


We know by now that Marjorie Taylor Greene is a Putin apologist, but the fascist tendencies in the GOP really seem to take over... When do "moderate" Republicans stand up against that?


What's the bottom line on the law?   How the courts rule on the law...if there is a flood of illegal votes. 

 I'm not the court.  My fellow PA members are not the courts. Time will tell. The courts will tell us.

If I was Trump...I would choose Tulsi Gabbard as my running mate.  Gabbard is a vet.  Gabbard gabs like a bard. She balances liberal and conservative values.  I'd like to see an all-female vice presidential debate. Gabbart vs Harris.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2024 at 07:06
^ Yes, but you know that reading and understanding legal texts is not the conspiracy theorist's forte...


We know by now that Marjorie Taylor Greene is a Putin apologist, but the fascist tendencies in the GOP really seem to take over... When do "moderate" Republicans stand up against that?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2024 at 03:31
Also note the word and at the end of part (2) of subsection (c). All three parts of subsection (c) must apply.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2024 at 00:09
I think that just says that if a non-citizen casts a vote they cannot be prosecuted as long as they reasonably believed themselves to be a citizen. The word "reasonably" is key here either way, and will throw out the vast majority of bad faith actors in any hypothetical court case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2024 at 20:08
There is a loophole in US law that allows illegal aliens to vote.  If the illegal alien believes that he/she is a citizen at the time they vote...their vote is legal. 

§611. Voting by aliens

(a) It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless-

(1) the election is held partly for some other purpose;

(2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and

(3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for a candidate for such Federal offices, in such a manner that an alien has the opportunity to vote for such other purpose, but not an opportunity to vote for a candidate for any one or more of such Federal offices.


(b) Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(c) Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if-

(1) each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization);

(2) the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and

(3) the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States.  



https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:18%20section:611%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title18-section611)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2024 at 23:09
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Another presidential candidate is arrested.  I voted for Dr. Jill Stein in 2016. 

https://ijr.com/green-party-presidential-candidate-jill-stein-arrested/
I always felt she should have chosen Al Franken as her running mate. Everyone would have voted for a Franken-Stein ticket. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2024 at 21:35
By a 320-91 bipartisan vote, the House passed a bill that makes it illegal to criticize Jews/Israel.  All in all, it's just another brick in the wall... against free speech. 

Why do I disagree with this bill?  Because this bill erodes free speech. 
I may hate what you say, but you have the right to say it.Wink

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-vote-bipartisan-antisemitism-awareness-093028202.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Here are a few examples of what would be a federal crime to say...

  • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust
  • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.




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