The RIP thread

Hrychu wrote: Logan wrote: a topic with the topic headline "Rest in H3LL OJ" was both unnecessary, especially for a music site, and in very questionable taste. I agree! Progarchives isn't Twitter, Reddit, 4chan et al. You don't have to act like a manchild with an inflated ego here. :) You can express your satisfaction with a death of an undeniably horrible person here, but do it with class. I learned it the hard way. I recently expressed my stance against generative AI here in an impulsive fashion with the use of multiple curse words and my post got taken down. And that isn't because PA wants to silence people who don't support Generative AI, which, trust me, is a technology that scammers, plagiarists and liars abuse like crazy. ;)

Hrychu wrote: And one thing to remember is that even people who have done horrible things often have people who care about them Except for pedophiles.

  I love it !

Deaths of people who have fallen from social grace is tough. I recall saying that Phil Spector was a recording and production genius without mourning his death and caught some backlash for it. As if his being a murderer somehow diminished his past artistic skills.

^^ I recall that to some extent. I think you handled it well. There are lots whose deaths I would not mourn but I still might recognise accomplishments they made. For me, it is kind of being sensitive to others, and expectations, in how you express yourself while at the same time being sincere and sharing your genuine feelings. Whatever the balance is, and even should we try to be tactful, we can often offend people, and that's okay (I even favour causing offence in various cases). :)

Edited by Logan - April 18 2024 at 14:41

Putin and the butchers who slaughtered and burned babies on October 7th, have families who may love them. Do they deserve respect?

Dickie Betts of the Allman Brothers died at the age of 80. Wonderful guitarist and songwriter. What a band that was. 

The Dark Elf wrote: Dickie Betts of the Allman Brothers died at the age of 80. Wonderful guitarist and songwriter. What a band that was.

Edited by micky - April 18 2024 at 18:48

^My comments are meant for Greg's response to the OJ Simpson post. Greg said we should be sensitive to RIP posts because the deceased have family and it may offend them.

So when Putin or a well-known Hamas jihadist dies we shouldn't post it because it might offend someone? Where does PA draw the line?

As with any art it's subjective and I would not classify Phil Spector as an artistic genius.

^ The idea with my general comment on ethics is often to try to take the family members feelings into consideration when making one's feelings known (one might not know the feelings, but I think of how I would feel if it was, say, my child). Of course we should consider the physical victims too and care about how they feel.   Of course it would apply to some situations much more than others. It does not mean you should respect the deceased or even need to act respectfully towards the deceased. Often I feel sorry for the perpetrator's families. The idea was to link that to closing a thread where I don't think the phrasing good in terms of how this music forum presents itself to PA. Again, I think respect is earned, but we can still consider being thoughtful to those who may be adversely affected (including the families) as a general principle. That's my opinion, no need to respect it, and unlike some who claim that we should automatically respect their opinions, I don't agree with that notion either. If it's, say, a death, I would suggest reporting it factually in the topic line. Again, this came out of topic with the title "Rest in H3LL OJ" showing up prominently in recent posts. I would have posted the news n this thread, and If I felt it important to make a topic specifically on it, I would have gone with the title "OJ Simpson Dead" and actually tried to write something substantive to go with it (that's me). I don't respect OJ at all, but that's not the issue to me.

Edited by Logan - April 19 2024 at 12:31

^ Thanks, I really appreciate that, Steve, and I really appreciate you. We need such voices, I believe. I know I have had my bad days (weeks, months, years) and not handled things nearly as well I should have, but we all (or most) have our off times.