"Democracy is Teetering"

SteveG wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ Actually the "corridor" of permissible things to say without repercussions is getting smaller and smaller. It's one thing to allow speech from a legal standpoint, it's another for society to tolerate speech, even if some perceive it as "hate speech". Who defines the boundary? Step outside the permissible mainstream too much, and with a little bit of bad luck you will be shamed, ostracised, deplatformed, canceled etc.. Doesn't sound like free speech to me. How about the guy you chose as your avatar? He in effect made political opposition illegal. So much for democracy ... I 'm not going to waste my time debating with you as to what is hate speech and how it's defined. It should be self evident. As to Zelensky banning the following political organizations from Ukraine one month after Russia invaded Ukraine, such as Opposition Platform For Life, Party of Shariy Nashi, Opposition Bloc, Left Opposition Boc, Union Of Left Forces, Progressive Socialist Party Of Ukraine, Socialist Party Of Ukriane and Socialists For Ukraine, for all having known and public ties to the Russian government, that should be self evident too. But cheer up. Zelensky is not a dictator. He still must be and has been voted in.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ sure. Whenever that will be is anybody’s guess … https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Ukrainian_presidential_election

^ sure. Whenever that will be is anybody’s guess …

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Ukrainian_presidential_election


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - April 09 2024 at 10:59

Archisorcerus wrote: " They want all the people to believe in a cartoon-like world where even the craziest things can be possible. The same can be said about many quantum physicists, except i'll take out the word all, that's just silly.  Many subscribe to a multi-verse theory. If the theory of an infinite multiverse is true, anything goes, cartoon-like worlds abound, and the craziest things are possible. I don't buy them. I'm a solid materialist Science has told us for a long time now that nothing is solid.  There is no material substance (all is energy) and you have never touched anything material; nothing touches, ever.  This has been based on solid science for a long time now.   .

^ Actually the "corridor" of permissible things to say without repercussions is getting smaller and smaller. It's one thing to allow speech from a legal standpoint, it's another for society to tolerate speech, even if some perceive it as "hate speech". Who defines the boundary? Step outside the permissible mainstream too much, and with a little bit of bad luck you will be shamed, ostracised, deplatformed, canceled etc.. Doesn't sound like free speech to me. How about the guy you chose as your avatar? He in effect made political opposition illegal. So much for democracy ...

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So no conspiracy theorist who invites others to question things is interested in empirical evidence?

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - April 09 2024 at 06:28

^ You can end your participation any time you like. Don't feel like you have to respond. If it's direct question I commonly will try to answer, but that's something of being considerate often because I appreciate it when others answer my questions. If people run with related ideas, that's how threads often go. Don;t force yourself to continue. I prefer the more informal, friendly, easy-going topics to debate-like topics in my older age.

Having not read much of the conversation.... I think often it's more like "I know the truth" which makes me special, and you just can't get it more so than "think like we do." People often want to feel special, like to believe that they know more than others, like they are the holders of truth and see the world correctly unlike all of the sheep out there. There's a cult mentality going on commonly with many people who latch on to many conspiracy theories, pseudo-science, spiritualism and a lot of woo generally.

By the way, I often don;t get involved in such threads because it feels like a contest too often rather than dialectic and friendly conversation.

^ Mike... There couldn't be "another" evasion there as it was my first. And it was not because of what you think.

Please, leave it here.

Peace out.

Edited by Archisorcerus - April 09 2024 at 05:51