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MikeEnRegalia 
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^ Check out the "prog spectrum" pages I created a while back. It's a work in progress, and some of the big releases are all over the place and I'm still thinking about a way to reduce the redundancy, but it's already not too bad IMHO.
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^ cool! I've always thought a prog spectrum would be quite helpful too as would a metal spectrum etc. Of course we run the risk of overanalyzing and overthinking everything to death when we start studying any art form with a microscope but a generalized chart is indeed very helpful. Well done :) (function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'85b877b9be4d67cd',t:'MTcwODk1MzQ0MC4zMzcwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Posted: February 26 2024 at 06:25 |
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If you do not want to use that term, that's on you, the rest of the world has been using it for quite a while, it's widely accepted.
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Agree with that. We all contribute to language but if everyone in the world calls a certain fruit a banana and not a toaster then there's a point where a tipping point has been reached and a consensus has been cemented into reality. As individuals we can reject or accept accordingly but as a database we should recognize these greater consensuses. (function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'85b8a8a688a6fa8a',t:'MTcwODk1NTQ0NC4zNzUwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Posted: February 26 2024 at 07:13 |
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Dungeon synth?!! Sounds interesting 😃 |
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Posted: February 26 2024 at 07:20 |
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Sure! I'm just saying that I won't add certain genres to the system on my website. Everyone is free to use whichever labels they find appropriate.
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I invented "balloon prog" - put a coin inside of a balloon, inflate the balloon and tie it, and start the coin whirling around inside the balloon. Then put it up to a microphone. Amazing sound effects. This is a sub-genre of "tool prog," where I would use massive steel wrenches for percussion, sheet metal (oops, Jamie Muir did that!) etc.
I haven't had a bit of time to commit any of my material to digital recordings, I'll do that someday and post some samples.
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Prog is definitely a genre..
Because it is very unique in terms of song structure, composition and concept.
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It's an attribute to me, and with that Punk, Country, HipHop can have prog attributes.......
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I have no issues with genre labels, the more obvious topic/question is are they labeled appropriately.....I doubt it. This to me is the real topic. There is wayyyyy too much music out now not to have labels, and agree it's a way to sift thru all the BS that one may not want to listen to.
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- If I am at a record shop and
there's a Prog-section there, what I expect to find is Yes, Camel, King
Crimson and lesser known bands in a somewhat similar style. Not
Tangerine Dream, Art Zoyd or Nucleus. Although I consider all latter
three to have a natural place in PA's many Sub-Genre sections. So I do
think Prog make sense as a genre that sometimes describes a band... or
more often an album, best: For In the Court..., Mirage or Close to the Edge - Prog
Rock is the genre I would use if anyone should ask. I feel that the
Prog genre is well enough established, and the most accurate/informative
I can be. If I limit myself to use just one genre that is. Much like I
would use Psychedelic Rock for Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
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Around here the few record stores we do have definitely have prog sections. One store specifically says progressive rock Another store separates prog into international rock and regular rock / pop (for UK and USA or popular bands) And yet another has a prog / psych section All of these sections include everything from RPI and Krautrock to avant-prog like Univers Zero Bands like Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd and Genesis have always been quite popular and are always in the main rock section Interesting how no two stores are the same, even from the same chains! (function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'85be08dddf9acf61',t:'MTcwOTAxMTgxNC4xNjMwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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^ Haven't been at a record store for 15 years ... but it does not surprise me that the few remaining ones focus on the prog community.
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In the record stores I remember from the 90s/2000s in Germany, none had a Prog section. It was Rock/Pop, Metal, Jazz and Classical music.
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Why would you go to a record store these days? Well for the experience of course! There's nothing like going to a large music store and seeing rows and rows of albums, CDs, videos and other music related books, T-shirts etc. In San Francisco they have the best one in the Bay Area called Amoeba Records. They sell both new and used. Believe it or not it's often CHEAPER to buy a used CD at this store than it is to order online. By the time you add postage and handling. It's also very satisfying to peruse a record store and discover something randomly that you would never encounter with a more focused online shopping approach. Of course you can't find everything at a record store any longer so ordering online is still a part of the overall equation but i have to keep myself from going to that particular store because i will spend $100 minimum if i even step in. Likewise we have another Amoeba in Berkeley and several Rasputin Records of the same used / new music style in several Bay Area cities. I vaguely remember Tower Records and just the magnanimous nature of going to that store was magical.  |
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