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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I have never been a Gentle Giant fanatic personally and Echolyn are more my speed musically. Great chops, I like the 'emo' vocals and strong emphasis on melody. One of the great bands that has come out of the US post 80's along with Dream Theater, Spocks Beard and more latterly the oft overlooked but brilliant Presto Ballet. It was a heavier style of symphonic prog. The review is a personal one, driven by the need not to dismiss a band that is considered important. I've never had any problem woth 'endless bombast and constant overplaying' Big smile
Thanks for the kind words, Richard. I too think that the band has great chops and should have said so in the review. Along with stating that those, like you, who enjoy bombast would enjoy this album. It's funny that you should mention Spock's Beard as I'm quite a fan. They too have hit the Gentle Giant train on occasion, as a song like "June" demonstrates. But the difference between SB and Echolyn is that SB have explored many other prog influences and are not stuck in one groove. And they know when to lay back and when to max out. It's a balancing act. Rush did this the best as is demonstrated with a song like "The Trees". But that's why they're Rush.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2024 at 09:23
It's quite a long time ago that I don't write reviews but when I did, I felt that the approach should be different depending on the reasons why you don't enjoy much the album.

My premise was basically not to write negative reviews of albums of sub-genres I don't enjoy much in themselves. Let's say I don't fancy much Extreme Prog Metal, but because some particular album of this genre is getting a lot of praise, I decide to give it a chance and listen to it a few times. But no way, I don't like it. It's not that it may not be good in its own terms, but I simply don't like the style of music. In this case I consider myself unable to appreciate or to discern and judge the good and the bad, as surely a fan of the genre will be able to do. I could never do the album justice. So I pass on reviewing.

But if I like Symphonic, and I listen to a Symphonic album which I don't like, I feel confident that I can critizise it giving the reasons why. Perhaps the compositions are weak, or the musicians are not very proficient, or it is excessively flat and boring, or the production sounds amateurish, or whatever.


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A good thing about the review is certainly that you "declared an interest". I wouldn't call this objective (but then I don't like that term anyway, at least when it comes to music), but certainly it makes the reader appreciate where you are coming from. Which is a helpful element in a negative review.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2024 at 13:29
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

A good thing about the review is certainly that you "declared an interest". I wouldn't call this objective (but then I don't like that term anyway, at least when it comes to music), but certainly it makes the reader appreciate where you are coming from. Which is a helpful element in a negative review.

Hi,

When one is looking at something different, and not a run of the mill piece of work ... things change ... you have no ideas, or boundaries to "declare an interest" beyond ... wonder what all this is about.

This is, for example, since music does not really have anything like it, what one will find in the film maker Gaspar Noe ... where what you think and expect is never there, and what takes place instead is ... wow ... you gotta be kidding me ... and the total surprises  and jumps that you go through take apart your ideas of anything that you have seen before, or think about! It's that different.

BUT, can one say that it is wrong, or bad?

NO.

Does a review have to be complimentary?

NO.

But you can not sit here or there and pontificate on your values that you think makes a bad film ... but the way that things are done, by this director is outside the levels of interpretation and understanding, for most of us, that are into a commercial style of music, and does not always frequent, or discuss the most unusual and different things, and the growls keep on coming! Wow ... that's original!

The examples are tough ... a film that is strictly inside the guy's mind ... and I mean inside his mind ... we only see what he thinks and does ... a film that goes from the end to the start ... totally insane but really well defined and written! And if that's not enough a trip to the other side, in ways that we can only imagine they are like, but in this case ... you go out of the theater wondering ... wow ... what is this about?

Rock music, in general, and this includes the stuff that is considered "conceptual", is kindergarten stuff by comparison ... it's literary ideal and value is in the area of "make belief" and has very little value otherwise. But we think that the fact that it is "considered" a concept, that it makes it important ... well I guess it is but that is not the definition of a "concept" and never has been!

GG is a tough listen for many, specially folks that are into the numbers and into the fame/famous bands ... because their sound has become so homogenized to your mind, as to make it specially hard to see/hear different things, which will often create some confusion inside your noodles. 

To me, that "confusion" is the root of something new to learn and study. This has been the history of all the arts for hundreds and hundreds of years, so Echolyn sounding like a different version of Gentle Giant is not quite a big deal ... although I don't really see folks say that Tchaikovsky copied Beethoven and wanted just as many Symphonies! (... something like that!).

Writing a review of something you (apparently) do not relate to very well, is a bit of an issue, however, that's like saying that those 2 stooges that did a lot of film reviews agreed on everything ... just about one third of their stuff they did not agree at all ... and it still made the grace, and you might want to check their work some. 
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