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    Posted: February 12 2024 at 18:43

Go ahead... I can take it...  Have fun.  Members able to review I will email digital album to you from Bandcamp if you message me an email address... Or just play them there!  

If someone could teach me how to embed a bandcamp player in this post Id really be thankful.  I can't seem to figure it out. Confused



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Originally posted by Valdez1 Valdez1 wrote:


Go ahead... I can take it...  Have fun.  Members able to review I will email digital album to you from Bandcamp if you message me an email address... Or just play them there!  

If someone could teach me how to embed a bandcamp player in this post Id really be thankful.  I can't seem to figure it out. Confused


Hi Rick,

unfortunately, no-one is able to embed BC pages, partly because the site owner isn't around much, and also, I'm not sure the this old forum software (dating from 2004) would be able to accomodate it.


As for your new album, I've "spun" it (sort of speak) a few times.

Musically, I love it, but find the spoken passages a bit of a yawn for repeated listen (but I've always found this for all spoken passages, from Alice's Black Widow, APP's Tales, Wakeman's Centre of the Earth, to those lengthy Godspeed You Black Emperor "dialogues".

To each his own, but the "novelty" factor wears thin very quickly with yours truly
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It's possible to embed:


From the bandcamp code they propose you for the embed only keep what is between the first pair of quotation mark after src= (it starts with https://bandcamp.com and ends with /transparent=true/ - you can even delete the part after "size=large") and place this between the tube tags ([ tube] and [/tube ] (without the spaces).

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Holy shoot, suitkees! I thought it wasn't possible on this outdated forum engine! Thank you so much!
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Sean, About the spoken passages and samples... I'm afraid I'm starting to agree with you after hearing them over and over again myself...  I may have to do something about that.  Seemed like a good idea at the time! LOL.   Just glad you found something to like about it.  

Nick Tosches was a friend of mine, and his poetry (along with just about every book he wrote) was pretty DARK STUFF.  I debated putting the two tracks with him because they were so dark. But overall, I think the album moves back and forth between Darkness and Light well enough.

   On "The Dreambook of Artemidorus" He states "I walked with the COWERED Christ"... (Not Coward) as he was being hounded presumably by the Devil and self-doubt.  Nick was a strange guy but actually had a heart of gold.  His religious beliefs were Ancient & Interesting to say the least.  He will be missed by many.

The Bonus track "Trouble on 61" was the first track I ever completed in my life... 1998   I tried my hand at "singing" with not much success, but it makes me laugh when I hear it... It is not actually part of the album, just a bonus track.

Suitkees... Thanks!   I've seen them embedded here before.  You figured it out!


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wow, amazingShockedStarClap

This is fantastic newsHug


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

As for your new album, I've "spun" it (sort of speak) a few times.

Musically, I love it, but find the spoken passages a bit of a yawn for repeated listen (but I've always found this for all spoken passages, from Alice's Black Widow, APP's Tales, Wakeman's Centre of the Earth, to those lengthy Godspeed You Black Emperor "dialogues".

To each his own, but the "novelty" factor wears thin very quickly with yours truly
Just so that Valdez1 knows that not everyone minds... I know that without those lengthy GY!BE spoken passages, their music would somehow have a lesser impact on me. On the bands 1990's albums they manage to build tension and keep my attention in ways none - or next to none - later Post Rock projects manage. To me even GY!BE themselves rarely reach those cathartic heights themselves anymore (on their four very solid comeback albums). I think without creating a larger context through their rather unique way of using dialogue - what they aim to communicate, somehow feel a little less important to me. Less urgent. Add to that Alice's Black Widow are among my favorites songs of his. The narration on King Gizzards Murder of the Universe gets tiresome though. There's obviously both successful and less successful ways of doing it. But the same can be said about singing. 

Admittedly, I've only listened through Valdez ISO music in less than fifteen minutes. But the only time I reacted negatively to the voice, was on the bonus track. For the rest of the time I thought it worked quite well. It sort of expanded the universe of your compositions. I didn't skip my way through because I didn't enjoy what I was hearing. I simply didn't have the time for a full listen just now.

-Maybe I'm not representative, I listen to Jazz/Beat Poetry, love Ken Nordine, Ivor Cutler, Kenneth Patchen, Langston Hughes, Kae Tempest... I even actively look for musically accompanied spoken word.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

As for your new album, I've "spun" it (sort of speak) a few times.

Musically, I love it, but find the spoken passages a bit of a yawn for repeated listen (but I've always found this for all spoken passages, from Alice's Black Widow, APP's Tales, Wakeman's Centre of the Earth, to those lengthy Godspeed You Black Emperor "dialogues".

To each his own, but the "novelty" factor wears thin very quickly with yours truly
Just so that Valdez1 knows that not everyone minds... 
I know that without those lengthy GY!BE spoken passages, their music would somehow have a lesser impact on me. On the bands 1990's albums they manage to build tension and keep my attention in ways none - or next to none - later Post Rock projects manage. To me even GY!BE themselves rarely reach those cathartic heights themselves anymore (on their four very solid comeback albums). I think without creating a larger context through their rather unique way of using dialogue - what they aim to communicate, somehow feel a little less important to me. Less urgent. 
Add to that Alice's Black Widow are among my favorites songs of his. The narration on King Gizzards Murder of the Universe gets tiresome though. There's obviously both successful and less successful ways of doing it. But the same can be said about singing. 

Admittedly, I've only listened through music in less than fifteen minutes. But the only time I reacted negatively to the voice, was on the bonus track. For the rest of the time I thought it worked quite well. It sort of expanded the universe of your compositions. I didn't skip my way through because I didn't enjoy what I was hearing. I simply didn't have the time for a full listen just now.

-Maybe I'm not representative, I listen to Jazz/Beat Poetry, love Ken Nordine, Ivor Cutler, Kenneth Patchen, Langston Hughes, Kae Tempest... I even actively look for musically accompanied spoken word.

The Beat Poets' were great with jazz, but I only know the better known ones from the classic era, like Ginsberg.
I'm less versed with the British one (Cutler, Pete Brown and Keith Reid  ) I'd include Peter Sinfield in there as well, but it could be a bit of a stretch)

I always felt quite uncomfortable with Days Of Future Past  or elsewhere where The Moodies put in narratives in their other albums. Procol managed well in In Held Twas In I, but The Worm & The Tree is totally embarrassing. 

I totally agree that GYBE's early albums are the only one I kept (I gave up after Yanki)

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Hrychu Thanks.   I remember Ken Nordines “word Jazz” album from when I was a kid. My Dad had a copy.
I guess it’s all a matter of taste. I’m going to refrain from making any changes at this point. It is what it is.
Thanks for taking the time to listen and make observations. I Love hearing what people have to say!

TRANE “ always felt quite uncomfortable with Days Of Future Past or elsewhere where The Moodies put in narratives in their other albums. Procol managed well in In Held Twas In I, but The Worm & The Tree is totally embarrassing. “

Totally agree. I was starting to feel like “Baku Llama” was becoming a one trick pony with me just banging away on the piano on every track. I’m experimenting in the spirit of discovery, and hence moving forward with something hopefully more eclectic and interesting.   Taking chances and rolling the dice. You have always been receptive over the years. much Respect!




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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I always felt quite uncomfortable with Days Of Future Past  or elsewhere where The Moodies put in narratives in their other albums. Procol managed well in In Held Twas In I, but The Worm & The Tree is totally embarrassing.
Yep total cringe
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I totally agree that GYBE's early albums are the only one I kept (I gave up after Yanki)
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I always felt quite uncomfortable with Days Of Future Past  or elsewhere where The Moodies put in narratives in their other albums. Procol managed well in In Held Twas In I, but The Worm & The Tree is totally embarrassing.


How do you feel about Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds then?


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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I always felt quite uncomfortable with Days Of Future Past  or elsewhere where The Moodies put in narratives in their other albums. Procol managed well in In Held Twas In I, but The Worm & The Tree is totally embarrassing.


How do you feel about Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds then?

Can't stand it anymore than Wakeman's Journey.

Though both probably work fine live in concert, to me all of that stuff doesn't stand repeated listens. 

IMHO; of course.

This Belgian project also had plenty of dialogues in their album
Can't remember why they're not on PA, though.




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This remains in my top 10 for 2007
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SEAN TRANE said  'This remains in my Top 10 for 2007'

I wish I could get back together with Ann and David to do more. We were getting better and better the more we jammed together, but I moved my family 1500 miles away and that was the end of that.

Speaking of Spoken words in music. I was listening to Tuners "Pole" (Pat Mastellotto of King Crimson & Friends") album from around 2006 or so. There is a song called 11-11 that has pretty cool spoken word and I liked it a lot... Wife hated it!!   A pretty fine album though... Real Drums too!!! lol.  Withstands repeated listenings in my opinion.




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Quote Hrychu Thanks.   I remember Ken Nordines “word Jazz” album from when I was a kid. My Dad had a copy.
I guess it’s all a matter of taste. I’m going to refrain from making any changes at this point. It is what it is.
Thanks for taking the time to listen and make observations. I Love hearing what people have to say!
Well thanks but I didn't even listen to your album yet! xD You probably meant to thank Saperpipolette! :P
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Saperlipopette!  

Great Work...  Great Jazz oriented keys!  Some of the cleanest and most precise I've heard in a while.  Very Nice!
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