Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Polls
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Camel vs Roxy Music
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Camel vs Roxy Music
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Poll Question: Which band do you like the most
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
61 [66.30%]
31 [33.70%]
You can not vote in this poll

Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Jared View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 06 2005
Location: Hereford, UK
Status: Online
Points: 19615 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 12:21
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

bump! Tongue

I think someone is going to be quite upset with you... LOL

Camel... need you ask?
Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
Back to Top
Logan View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
Site Admin

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Status: Offline
Points: 36317 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 12:26
I would rather bumps be done judiciously and sparingly myself. It can make it harder to keep up with recent threads and discussions (and sometimes one puts significant effort into those and they are swept off the page by bumps). That said, if one thinks it an interesting topic and has something interesting to add, then I appreciate them more.

Edited by Logan - January 31 2024 at 12:27
Back to Top
Floydoid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 02 2007
Location: Planet Prog
Status: Offline
Points: 1686 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Floydoid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 12:53
I do love the early Poxy Music stuff when Brain Eno was their resident knob twiddler (i.e. the first two albums), but Camel get the nod from me this time.
'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.'
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18487 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 13:32
I don't feel I know Roxy Music well enough to vote. 
Back to Top
Hrychu View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 03 2013
Location: poland?
Status: Offline
Points: 5435 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 14:12
Quote but Camel get the nod from me this time.
Hopefully a wink too.
“On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.”
— Ernest Vong
Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14887 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 16:21
Not really a tough choice for me... looking at the result Roxy Music is doing better than I'd have expected. I mean yeah, I do like the odd Roxy Music track, but...
Back to Top
The Dark Elf View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: February 01 2011
Location: Michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 13099 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 16:55
Roxy Music. Their first few albums are splendid. Camel is prog-lite. Camel is the Diet Coke of Prog. 
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28453 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2024 at 22:21
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

I've heard some roxy but I don't think I like em. Kinda sh*te but I maybe wrong 😎

That's your default setting so lets go with that then.

Camel are one of those bands that made prog better but didn't add anything new in the process. Total oxymoron if ever there was!

Roxy Music very much inhabit their own world and for me are the best of what I consider to be 'art rock' but in no way are they 'prog rock'. So if you are a prog snob then give wide berth to them. Otherwise their first 5 albums are unique and well worth checking out. Their later radio friendly approach does very little for me. Actually depressed me but then a lot of music from around that time had that affect on me.
Back to Top
Octopus II View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 21 2023
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 10997 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Octopus II Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2024 at 00:31
Both! Smile
Back to Top
suitkees View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 19 2020
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 9050 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2024 at 04:23
I like both, but I listen more often to Roxy Music; sounds a bit more inventive and adventurous to me (prog or not).

The razamataz is a pain in the bum
Back to Top
Psychedelic Paul View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 16 2019
Location: Nottingham, U.K
Status: Offline
Points: 41205 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2024 at 04:26
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

which is your favourite group, most progressive group of these semi-canterbury bands.
I'm voting for the Guildford Scene band. Smile
Back to Top
Hector Enrique View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 26 2019
Location: Lima, Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 732 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hector Enrique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2024 at 11:40
Both bands are very good, but I like Camel more
Héctor Enrique
Back to Top
mellotronwave View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 30 2021
Location: Belgium
Status: Offline
Points: 10645 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mellotronwave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2024 at 15:40
Camel without the shadow of a doubt but I like some RM too
Back to Top
jamesbaldwin View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 25 2015
Location: Milano
Status: Offline
Points: 6034 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2024 at 17:32
Surely Roxy Music.

I consider:

1) Camel
2) Mirage
3) Moonmadness
4) Rain Dances

(The Snow Goose is fine but modest)

1) Roxy Music
2) For Your Pleasure
3) Stranded
4) Country Music

(The other albums by the two bands I consider to be uninspired, run-of-the-mill - Camel's are artistically more dignified than RM's.)

If I compare these 4 albums, that is, their major works, it seems to me that the heights touched by Roxy Music with the first two were not touched by Camel. Roxy Music seems to me to be more innovative, original, and engaging.

But I know my opinions are in the minority here on progarchives, in fact in the Top 100 of all time there are three Camel albums, and none by Roxy Music.

Perhaps also because Camel represent in every way the British prog of the 1970s, they play a velvety prog, without great harshness, accessible to all (I would almost say commercial) in part symphonic and melodic like Genesis, in part with rock progressions punctuated by Latimer's guitar reminiscent of Pink Floyd's Gilmour, in part impressionistic and descriptive as in Canterbury's scene. They have their own autonomy, and recognizability in this synthesis, while having epigonic traits.

Their style is quintessential prog, they are the "moderates" of prog, very pleasant to listen to, very competent and elegant. Their music, I would say, is average prog of the Seventies, competing with that of Yes. But compared to Yes they are less pompous, less virtuosic, more fluffy.

But to me they don't often seem to touch that brilliance, that originality, that climax of the great prog albums of the 1970s. They seem to me to be one of the most competent groups in the second row of seventies prog. They also lack a singer of substance.

Roxy Music have nothing to do with that scene I just described. Roxy Music are the group of Bryan Ferry, a real histrion, one who created a genre of singing later copied throughout the 1970s and even 1980s. They are essentially an art-rock group, they don't churn out suites or long songs in many movements, they are art-pop-rock with Central European decadent and theatrical reminiscences.

In short, they give less satisfaction to those who love the canons of 1970s English prog.




Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 02 2024 at 17:40
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Back to Top
Boojieboy View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 02 2016
Location: Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 649 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Boojieboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2024 at 17:47
I've listened to Roxy longer, but would give Camel the edge.

Roxy does get extra points for the personalities in the band, which really stand out. The Camel guys are sort of anonymous in comparison, which isn't a big deal music-wise. Roxy added an extra dimension on top of their music.


Edited by Boojieboy - February 02 2024 at 17:54
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28453 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2024 at 23:32
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Surely Roxy Music.

I consider:

1) Camel
2) Mirage
3) Moonmadness
4) Rain Dances

(The Snow Goose is fine but modest)

1) Roxy Music
2) For Your Pleasure
3) Stranded
4) Country Music

(The other albums by the two bands I consider to be uninspired, run-of-the-mill - Camel's are artistically more dignified than RM's.)

If I compare these 4 albums, that is, their major works, it seems to me that the heights touched by Roxy Music with the first two were not touched by Camel. Roxy Music seems to me to be more innovative, original, and engaging.

But I know my opinions are in the minority here on progarchives, in fact in the Top 100 of all time there are three Camel albums, and none by Roxy Music.

Perhaps also because Camel represent in every way the British prog of the 1970s, they play a velvety prog, without great harshness, accessible to all (I would almost say commercial) in part symphonic and melodic like Genesis, in part with rock progressions punctuated by Latimer's guitar reminiscent of Pink Floyd's Gilmour, in part impressionistic and descriptive as in Canterbury's scene. They have their own autonomy, and recognizability in this synthesis, while having epigonic traits.

Their style is quintessential prog, they are the "moderates" of prog, very pleasant to listen to, very competent and elegant. Their music, I would say, is average prog of the Seventies, competing with that of Yes. But compared to Yes they are less pompous, less virtuosic, more fluffy.

But to me they don't often seem to touch that brilliance, that originality, that climax of the great prog albums of the 1970s. They seem to me to be one of the most competent groups in the second row of seventies prog. They also lack a singer of substance.

Roxy Music have nothing to do with that scene I just described. Roxy Music are the group of Bryan Ferry, a real histrion, one who created a genre of singing later copied throughout the 1970s and even 1980s. They are essentially an art-rock group, they don't churn out suites or long songs in many movements, they are art-pop-rock with Central European decadent and theatrical reminiscences.

In short, they give less satisfaction to those who love the canons of 1970s English prog.



Interesting comments. I would only add

Camel - The Snow Goose. This for me is the only outstanding and important Camel album. It's all instrumental and that puts them apart from most seventies prog bands who didn't go that way (apart for the jazz fusion mob but that's a whole different thing) even for one album. It was a risk but it paid off for them.

Roxy Music were a bit of a 'bail out band' for those that were already getting bored with traditional prog even back in 1972 (maybe it was becoming too pompous and far up it's own bum) but wanted art in their music. Ferry famously of course auditioned for King Crimson to replace Greg Lake. Fripp decided on a Lake clone instead despite later trashing GL in some interviews but that's another story!
Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14887 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2024 at 04:38
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

 
  Roxy Music seems to me to be more innovative, original, and engaging.
I can absolutely see why you write this. I voted for Camel not because of innovation and originality and actually "progress" (although you've got to give to them that every one of their albums has its own character and they never stood still), but rather because for me personally they have a very unique emotional quality. They have a very large number of songs throughout all of their albums (not even Single Factor is an exception in that respect) that touch me in a very direct way. In that respect they are second to none, not even my "personal top 5" (maybe in terms of importance of their music for my life overall they could even be up there). In another thread Jaketejas nominated them as one of two "big" bands in a category they had made up called "takes time to breathe", together with Pink Floyd. I think that they very consciously do not strive for innovation for innovation's sake, and I'm fine with that as much as I appreciate originality and surprise (Breathless is in many respects a very surprising album though). 

A band like Camel will always take a back seat when thinking about music in a manner that is all too oriented toward "objective" measurable qualities that will appeal to critics and intellectuals (although they are/were top quality instrumentalists with strong musicality). They are something of a symbol that music is so much more than that and that it is sometimes hard if not impossible to get intellectually at what makes music connect to people.

But then these qualities are obviously subjective, so if Camel's music doesn't connect to you (or only very little of it), none of what I write can change that. Personally I respect Roxy Music, but they just have some five tracks or so that connect to me, so they can't win, but if they are winners for others, so be it.


Edited by Lewian - February 03 2024 at 04:41
Back to Top
jamesbaldwin View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 25 2015
Location: Milano
Status: Offline
Points: 6034 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2024 at 20:20
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

 
  Roxy Music seems to me to be more innovative, original, and engaging.
I can absolutely see why you write this. I voted for Camel not because of innovation and originality and actually "progress" (although you've got to give to them that every one of their albums has its own character and they never stood still), but rather because for me personally they have a very unique emotional quality. They have a very large number of songs throughout all of their albums (not even Single Factor is an exception in that respect) that touch me in a very direct way. In that respect they are second to none, not even my "personal top 5" (maybe in terms of importance of their music for my life overall they could even be up there). In another thread Jaketejas nominated them as one of two "big" bands in a category they had made up called "takes time to breathe", together with Pink Floyd. I think that they very consciously do not strive for innovation for innovation's sake, and I'm fine with that as much as I appreciate originality and surprise (Breathless is in many respects a very surprising album though). 

A band like Camel will always take a back seat when thinking about music in a manner that is all too oriented toward "objective" measurable qualities that will appeal to critics and intellectuals (although they are/were top quality instrumentalists with strong musicality). They are something of a symbol that music is so much more than that and that it is sometimes hard if not impossible to get intellectually at what makes music connect to people.

But then these qualities are obviously subjective, so if Camel's music doesn't connect to you (or only very little of it), none of what I write can change that. Personally I respect Roxy Music, but they just have some five tracks or so that connect to me, so they can't win, but if they are winners for others, so be it.

You say: they have a very unique emotional quality.

I guess it's their meditative/ecstatic musical mood, similar to Canterbury scene.
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14887 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2024 at 10:20
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

You say: they have a very unique emotional quality.

I guess it's their meditative/ecstatic musical mood, similar to Canterbury scene.
That's not quite what I mean. It's not that easy to put into words. It has more to do with their melodies than the overall musical mood, even though it helps that the mood fits the melodies. The way their melodies resonate with me (which may include parts of guitar solos etc.) is just special and there are few bands who do that. I can find something like this in some other Canterbury artists, but then we're maybe talking about an album's worth of material per artist, occasionally two. Camel has much more. Unfortunately I can't explain in "objective" terms how they do that.
Back to Top
King of Loss View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16583 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote King of Loss Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2024 at 18:07
Camel
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.203 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.