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" Why aren't most Zoomers into progressive rock?"

Prog is something else than mainstream popular music, and as such doesn't appeal to the majority of the young people today - only to the chosen ones. Big smile The popularity of Progressive Rock in the 1970s was coming very much from the '60s counterculture, and the whole cultural situation has just changed since. 

All this may already have been said in this thread before, but I haven't read the previous posts.



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If all one is listening to is the 3 minute pop music format of today, which often has a highly produced (maybe overly produced?) sound, auto-tune, and the focus is mainly rhythm, then it could be a challenge for the ears to listen to something more organic like Prog. Not an Eagles fan either. Hotel California is another song that makes me run the other direction. Probably because they ripped off Jethro Tull. But, that’s for another thread.
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

If all one is listening to is the 3 minute pop music format of today, which often has a highly produced (maybe overly produced?) sound, auto-tune, and the focus is mainly rhythm, then it could be a challenge for the ears to listen to something more organic like Prog. Not an Eagles fan either. Hotel California is another song that makes me run the other direction. Probably because they ripped off Jethro Tull. But, that’s for another thread.


Yes ...actually because of the restrictions in the music business there is the existence of a handpicked list of songs recorded by a list of usual suspects. The famous concept ..."Give the people what they want" is a trick. A means of convincing all artists they must do that and perpetuating an idea for profit instead of just allowing music to be an art form. Or promoting the idea of musicians being inspired by the music...which instead music generally becomes contrived in the business. It becomes forced.

You practice 8 or 10 hours a day all through your youth so when you hit age 18 you can become a person/musician that wants to make sh*t up and force music to be something that it isnt.

You become very skilled and you're just going to throw it all away by playing music that you dislike. Does that even make any sense? You practice and become very skilled so that you can turn professional and play the same chords ...the same songs over and over again. A total redundancy. That's ridiculous. It's compromising right? And everybody is happy except you. They need a skilled player to perform boring music that is overrated.

It wasn't quite like that in the late 60s and early 70s. People didn't pack the Spectrum in Philadelphia to see TEN YEARS AFTER just because the newspaper and the radio directed them to. People liked Ten Years After, Johnny Winter, Rory Gallagher, and Free because of their musicianship in Rock. There was no particular thing which people wanted. They liked Rush and Blue Oyster Cult because their albums were decent and they were great to see live. A lot of these bands proved themselves to the youth. It was more sincere and less shallow than how Rock Music was perceived in the 1980s.

Today the music business promotes the idea of handpicked song lists and usual suspects and that sweeps all the other bands under the rug...and the original response those bands received is erased by stuffing chosen band names down the populations throat. It's just such a lie . Everyone having this certain image of the golden age of Rock which is completely shallow and opposite of how it was defined in the mad times.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VultureCulture07 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2024 at 19:59
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

You could do a psychology experiment. Get a randomized sample of Zoomers. Put each one of them in a room, play Tarkus or Supper’s Ready, and see how long it takes for them to run out of there. Repeat with different generations.


Funny story, at work I played "Black Noise" by FM and my 18 year old co-worker didn't make it past track 2. Another one of my managers(22) however made it through all of Trifles "First Meeting", "Three of a Perfect Pair", and "Larks Tounges in Aspic"

Lastly my 35 year old manager said King Crimson was just noise. So there's some data.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jaketejas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2024 at 21:39
^ It’s a sad state of musical affairs. This is a good place to discover music. But, I feel bad for the needle in a haystack artists. It is hard to turn a dime even if you are at the top of your game in Prog. There are some who make a living out of it. But, for most, it is don’t quit your day job. And I want to hear good Prog song writing rather than audio experiments.

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OK, so I punched this question into a chatbot and got this response which I think just about covers the question:

"The reasons why certain genres of music, such as progressive rock, may not be as popular among Zoomers or the younger generation can be attributed to several factors:
1. Cultural Shift: Musical preferences often reflect the cultural trends and experiences of a particular time period. Progressive rock emerged primarily in the late 1960s and 1970s, and its complex song structures, lengthy compositions, and instrumental virtuosity were in line with the artistic trends of that era. As cultural tastes and trends have evolved, different genres have gained prominence, which may not align with the characteristics of progressive rock.
2. Accessibility and Exposure: The availability and accessibility of music have expanded with the advent of digital platforms and streaming services. This has led to a wide range of musical choices and increased exposure to various genres. Popularity often builds around music that is easily accessible, heavily promoted, or frequently heard on the radio, which may lead to a larger following for those genres.
3. Evolving Musical Styles: Musical aesthetics and styles have continued to evolve and diversify. Many younger artists may draw inspiration from a wide range of genres but reinterpret them in a contemporary context that resonates more with the current generation's tastes. The focus on concise songs, catchier hooks, and a more instant gratification experience in the digital age might not align with the longer and more intricate compositions commonly found in progressive rock.
4. Peer Influence and Social Dynamics: Musical preferences can be influenced by social interactions and peer groups. Younger individuals tend to develop their musical tastes based on what they are exposed to within their immediate social circles. If progressive rock is not widely appreciated or popular among their peers, it may not gain as much traction or resonance with the younger audience.
It is important to remember that musical preference is highly individual and subjective. While progressive rock may not be as popular among Zoomers or the younger generation as it once was, there are still individuals within that age group who appreciate and enjoy the genre. Taste in music varies greatly among individuals, and it is important to respect and embrace diversity in musical preferences."



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The chatbot is making me feel guilty, but it’s difficult not to poke a little fun at Zoomers. Gen X at least sounds halfway decent. Boomers does too. The Greatest Generation sounds like the cat’s meow by comparison. But when your generation is named after an annoying computer program … that’s a little sad.
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In regards to our shorter attention span it started long before TikTok, so there's no real arguing against that. We haven't seen the worst yet. As already mentioned this affects every generation. Those of us predisposed to enjoy complex or abstracted long form music compositions were always exceptions to the norm. TikTok is seriously brain damaging, but there's hundreds of millions zoomers out there that doesn't waste away their lives watching 15 second videosnippets anyway. Young people are still capable of watching five or six seasons of quite intricate, wide spanning storytelling with complex characters as older generations. Maybe more. Long form discussions and podcasts are more popular than the superficial short form "news/debate" TV-version that most of us have grown up with. The potential is there.

Introducing music "outside the comfort zone" to anyone including zoomers, takes people-and seduction skills. Unfortunately music nerds and prog nerds alike are rarely the best music-or prog ambassadors. If you don't know or understand your audience, there's very little chance of success. One reason I’m relatively positive toward some of these reaction video channels, is that millions of people looking at people loosing their sh*t whilst listening to «Roundabout» or getting emotional to «Shine on you Crazy Diamond» for the first time, has greater potential than playing "Larks’ Tounge..." at the office.

I've discussed similar things with fellow jazz fans. If you’re dealing with total noobs, save Ornette Coleman, Albert Ayler and Cecil Taylor for later. How about some selected Dave Brubeck, Bill Evans, early Herbie Hancock or Ahmad Jamal for starters instead? It’s easier on the ears, but still amazing, classic jazz.
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i often see the youth of today permanently attached to ear bud. I like to think to myself they are listening to some 30 minute prog epic - but it's more likely to be Ed Sheeran.

I think point four from the chat bot is the most likely reason Gen Zs don't veer much from the standard musical fare these days. I'm sure we all recall our own tribes when we were yoofs - my school (late 70s) was either punk, metal or prog. If you weren't one of those you were probably a bit of an outsider.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2024 at 07:46
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Prog is something else than mainstream popular music, and as such doesn't appeal to the majority of the young people today - only to the chosen ones. Big smile The popularity of Progressive Rock in the 1970s was coming very much from the '60s counterculture, and the whole cultural situation has just changed since.

So, just enjoy if you're one of the chosen ones. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cinema Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2024 at 08:15
I'd venture to say most Gen Z folks have never really heard good music. As Steven Wilson said:

Hear the sound of music drifting in the aisles
Elevator prozac stretching on for miles
The music of the future will not entertain
It's only meant to repress and neutralise your brain
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^While I agree with Steven Wilson, is there really such a thing as 'good music'?

There is music that is technical and original, complex, but is it 'better'? since it's opinionated 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2024 at 08:27

Actually, I find this question more interesting:

What does it require of young people today to be fond of Progressive Rock?
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

^While I agree with Steven Wilson, is there really such a thing as 'good music'?
I can at least state with certainty that there is really such a thing as 'bad music' 

(thankfully there's also such a thing as 'good music' but it isn't necessarily technical, original or complex)
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Actually, I find this question more interesting:

What does it require of young people today to be fond of Progressive Rock?


Perhaps it's the writer in me, but I love prog because the music is actually meaningful and a lot of the lyrics tell stories. I love the music because it's inspirational, I've wrote so many short stories and poems based off prog songs it's wild.
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If music is technical/complex for the most part it's solely based on a personal preference. If you like what a specific band and their compositions do for you. They are complex..but perhaps they lift you up and the more you listen to this particular band's music the more you enjoy getting that feeling.

That's a true and meaningful connection between you and the artist. Another Fusion band or Classical Rock band is stylistically based off the same creative composition, but they just don't do it for you.

I have often wondered why that extreme difference is so affective on people. Maybe they're feeling the person's soul through their playing. An artist who composes in several styles may feed off life experiences and the emotion in their playing often evolves from a true experience. Consequently several people in the world feel something from the music and they often find it something difficult to describe in words. This is the kind of affect music can have on humans. A person may wonder why they like a particular band so much and it's more than likely the musician's or writer's soul that they are feeling.

Many outstanding songwriters or composers begin theory in their childhood. Some that are definitely skilled tend to develop theory to a high level and it all becomes second nature....so that when they compose they allow the music to flow through them and not think about the science of music..and thinking about anything at all. Just allowing music to inspire you. You hear chord progressions, melody, harmony, ...you don't actually think about the order of everything. The music controls what you do. As an end result you end up recording a decent piece of music.

On another note...there are people in the music business that try to buy you. They may offer a large sum for a piece you wrote in return for putting their name on the writing credits. Now everyone thinks that they wrote it. Do you see how easy it is to fool people?

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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

OK, so I punched this question into a chatbot and got this response which I think just about covers the question:

"The reasons why certain genres of music, such as progressive rock, may not be as popular among Zoomers or the younger generation can be attributed to several factors:
1. Cultural Shift: Musical preferences often reflect the cultural trends and experiences of a particular time period. Progressive rock emerged primarily in the late 1960s and 1970s, and its complex song structures, lengthy compositions, and instrumental virtuosity were in line with the artistic trends of that era. As cultural tastes and trends have evolved, different genres have gained prominence, which may not align with the characteristics of progressive rock.
2. Accessibility and Exposure: The availability and accessibility of music have expanded with the advent of digital platforms and streaming services. This has led to a wide range of musical choices and increased exposure to various genres. Popularity often builds around music that is easily accessible, heavily promoted, or frequently heard on the radio, which may lead to a larger following for those genres.
3. Evolving Musical Styles: Musical aesthetics and styles have continued to evolve and diversify. Many younger artists may draw inspiration from a wide range of genres but reinterpret them in a contemporary context that resonates more with the current generation's tastes. The focus on concise songs, catchier hooks, and a more instant gratification experience in the digital age might not align with the longer and more intricate compositions commonly found in progressive rock.
4. Peer Influence and Social Dynamics: Musical preferences can be influenced by social interactions and peer groups. Younger individuals tend to develop their musical tastes based on what they are exposed to within their immediate social circles. If progressive rock is not widely appreciated or popular among their peers, it may not gain as much traction or resonance with the younger audience.
It is important to remember that musical preference is highly individual and subjective. While progressive rock may not be as popular among Zoomers or the younger generation as it once was, there are still individuals within that age group who appreciate and enjoy the genre. Taste in music varies greatly among individuals, and it is important to respect and embrace diversity in musical preferences."


This resonates with me as well!   

Let's consider history - how many young folks are into big-band jazz, barbershop quartet, or other passed musical trends that once were huge?   

Prog is no different, and ChatBot pretty much nailed it.  Us old prog-heads sitting around talking about it is like my father's generation talking about their music in World War 2!  

The good news is that I'm seeing more traditional prog instrumentation being used onstage (guitar, bass, drums, keys) by contemporary acts.  Guitar was an endangered species for a while, and synth almost wiped out bass guitar in the 1980s.  

Don't worry, some young prog artist/artists will come along and capture the imagination of the Zoomers!  They might even have dancers!  LOL


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^Ugh, Dancers

This is why I'd like to make it my mission to keep up with the 'Music and Musicians' exchange thread, while it's not very popular, aspiring artists do stop by there occasionally (including myself) and ask for thoughts on their work. Encouraging the youth to create music of all kinds is always good, and now it's easier than ever
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Originally posted by Cinema Cinema wrote:

I'd venture to say most Gen Z folks have never really heard good music. As Steven Wilson said:

Hear the sound of music drifting in the aisles
Elevator prozac stretching on for miles
The music of the future will not entertain
It's only meant to repress and neutralise your brain
And your venture would be in folly. Plenty of them listen to great music and, shockingly, it's not all prog. Nor is it all Ed Sheeran. It's almost as if music listening trends are not solely (or even mainly) influenced by generation.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Don't worry, some young prog artist/artists will come along and capture the imagination of the Zoomers!  They might even have dancers!  LOL
That's the thing. Plenty have, with no dancers in sight.
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