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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2024 at 09:32
I was teaching high school biology (in the USA, this is age 14) and discussed musical tastes with my students.  The boys pretty much said they liked rap, and asked me what I was into.  I said "look up Yes." 

They found a live version of CTTE on YouTube and told me they liked it! 

I believe that good music resonates no matter what.  I enjoy talented Country Western, Soul, even Disco if the musical talent is good to excellent.  

Rap could do better...for instance, back in the controversy days of "Power" (Kanye West using a sample of Schizoid Man), Ye and Bob Fripp should have teamed up with Kanye rapping over Soundscapes as an innovative marketing move.  Fripp wouldn't have to be selling signed calendars as he is doing right now.


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In 1971 Progressive Rock was huge in my hometown. I was in high school then and they offered a lot of musical activities to participate in. If not totally connected to the music programs then outside forces formed events revolving around performances. Battle Of The Bands and the high school dance. At most high school dances teenagers wanted to dance to music by Chicago, BS&T, Cream, Humble Pie, Ten Years After etc...and this opened up a realm for Progressive Rock.

And it certainly did. Teenagers wanted to see cover bands playing Jethro Tull, Genesis, ELP, YES, and so young musicians were stacking their keyboards like Wakeman, Rock drummers were buying gongs and chimes...and trying to play like Carl Palmer and Bill Bruford. I realize you may find that difficult to believe...but I'm being totally honest..people went crazy over Progressive Rock!! The music teachers were amazed by Keith Emerson.

They were already playing Switched On Bach for us in music class and they often discussed the Synthesizer. When the music teachers and the music director heard Emerson they just flipped out! It wasn't until the mid to late 70s that Prog craze began to die down.

In the 70s and 80s during the first wave, second wave, and possibly third wave of Prog...there were amazing Prog bands belonging mainly to the underground. Gracious, Curved Air, Beggars Opera, Trace, Greenslade, Rare Bird, Spring, Ange, Pulsar, Far East Family Band, Eloy, Guru, Guru, Gong, Hatfield and the North. ...and the list was endless!! It extended all through the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Underground Prog not commercial sell out Prog. It was interesting music and it's longevity continued all through the 70s, 80s,90's.

Regardless of the big 5 or 6 ...Regardless if the mass media still wanted Prog or not...Prog became an obsession for the starving artist. Think about it. It continued to exist for the sake of art. It wasn't about giving the people what they want. Hundreds of bands were signed to low budget labels or subdivisions of large labels for decades.

Some of the underground bands were directly emulating the style of the big 5 or 6. Regardless of what sub-genre of Prog they belonged to. RIO, Canterbury, Symphonic, Krautrock...and several bands were actually very original sounding. It was morally worth it to keep the spirit of Prog alive. Not for money...obviously...but to keep the art alive
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Fellow "Zoomer" here. In terms of classic 70s and maybe even 80s prog, there are only a handful of my peers that I know listen to it. Pink Floyd and Radiohead (if you consider those bands prog) are still popular among youth. I had some friends in high school who listened to Yes, Kate Bush, and Frank Zappa. My guitar instructor (who is a massive proghead) has a son about my age who listens to Genesis. I also formed a high school band with two other guys who had an affinity for Rush and we played Rush covers. Granted, these are baseline prog bands that most people know, but they're nevertheless progressive.

In terms of neo-prog or third-wave prog bands (which I love as much as 70s progressive rock), that is much harder to come by from people of ANY age. Marillion were popular in the 80s but are now more of a niche band. I had a friend who liked Paul Menel-era IQ. He heard a few seconds of "The Road of Bones" and thought it was too weird. I can't tell you how many times something like that has happened to me LOL

As someone who loves having music conversations, it's a struggle when your peers consistently don't understand your music taste and treat it like it's the most bizarre genre. Being a young progger isn't easy sometimes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2024 at 22:39
Bands on the fringe of prog such as Elbow and Muse may fair better. These could be potentially be gateway bands although they've both now been around a while. Of course there are Black Midi and the like. My Nephew has also heard of King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard although thought it strange that they are in anyway connected to say Pink Floyd. That is one of the problems, it's way too large a universe and the borders between experimental music and prog are not always clear and seem to be more a matter of opinion than actual reality.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Jaketejas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2024 at 22:52
Different times. One Zoomer I know just switches songs after about 10 to 20 seconds as if they are surfing channels on a TV. I think we are a much more distracted society full of gadgets. Just eating dinner the other night, it was ping, ping, ring, ring, ding, ding with texts, emails, and notifications. I tried to show this person a Rick Wakeman song and they were literally fidgeting and twitching before they started blabbering away right in the middle of the keyboard solo. Relax. Breathe. Listen. Expand the attention span. Brain waves matching the wavelength. Appreciate it. Enjoy.
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Originally posted by Magog2112 Magog2112 wrote:


As someone who loves having music conversations, it's a struggle when your peers consistently don't understand your music taste and treat it like it's the most bizarre genre. Being a young progger isn't easy sometimes.



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Most people in general aren't much into prog. I actually think zoomers make up a big portion of the current prog fan base (and younger folks in general). I have a nephew (22 years old) who was listening to a prog metal playlist on spotify without me prompting. Ok, so he said his favorite prog metal band (he used the term "progressive metal") is The Mars Volta (which they aren't) but hey it's a start.

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The golden age of Prog coincided with the upsurge of album sales, when albums outsold singles for the first time. Prog was largely an album-oriented genre, a lot of the time with elaborate packaging that added to the overall appreciation of the music.

Neither of these things really apply anymore and music has moved back to being sold song by song for the most part.

Any talk of "Zoomer" short attention span comes across as slightly patronising and condescending to me.

As far as I'm concerned, the real question is "Why should Zoomers be into Progressive rock?"


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^As a zoomer, we have short attention spans, my peers were complaining about sitting through Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings earlier, the payoff is worth the wait sometimes. Most of us admit we have short attention spans.
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So, is admitting to a short attention span some kind of badge of honour?

Forgive me if I don't understand.


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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

^As a zoomer, we have short attention spans, my peers were complaining about sitting through Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings earlier, the payoff is worth the wait sometimes. Most of us admit we have short attention spans.
Meanwhile, many of MY peers (Z-lennial here, as a reminder) will only watch the extended editions. While it's true that many people who stream music are less into album-oriented experiences, and many zoomers be streamin' and shufflin' them playlists, that doesn't make them much different from older people who grew up in the LP or cassette generations. I spend a lot of time with people who are older than me (in some cases, significantly older). I can present a boomer with Proclamation, a gen X-er with some Erotomania, and a Millennial some Arriving Somewhere, But Not Here. They aren't going to like any of it. I think some of the newer artists on the vanguard of prog and its related post-punk-y, post-rock-y, jazz fusion-y, experimental-y, electronic-y, neo-psychedelic-y fringey friendies are bringing in a whole new, younger audience by adapting to the lowered attention spans.

In any case, a lack of appreciation for forms of art that require more patience, more thoughtfulness, and more time in a world of endless, multiplying distractions is not strictly a generational thing. Remember, prog was never ACTUALLY popular in the grand scheme of things because of its inaccessibility to most folks (read: lack of marketability). In fact, nowadays, it has more of a chance than ever to be discovered by people who will actually enjoy it. They can search for it at their leisure. In my experience, I've met MORE people (not many more, but still, more) who are around my age with whom I share a love of either prog, or at least more eclectic music. As well as other art forms, like film/tv and video games. Maybe you will find other peers who share your tastes.
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^I absolutely agree with all of this.

For me there is a difference between not being interested in something (immediately or otherwise) and having a short attention span.



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I don't agree that Zoomers are the only generation that has short attention spans. I think it runs across the entire spectrum of generations. Otherwise, we would have had 10+ minute long songs regularly in the top 40 charts way back in the 1970s. We, here at Prog Archives, are outliers. I'm sure there are outliers in not only other genres that produce longer format songs, but other aspects of life: reading, film, etc.

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^ I’m talking about general societal trends, not trying to be patronizing. Obviously, there are Zoomers out there who enjoy Prog and other forms of creative music and who love to listen to albums all the way through and have a great deal of patience in spite of all the distractions. But, there is a reason why music in general is becoming shorter and shorter in length and perhaps focused more on rhythm rather than on interesting composition.   Not all music obviously. There are plenty of exceptions. We are a more distracted society because we are being bombarded with communications in many forms. Kid sick from school one day? You’ll get a text, an email, and a phone call all within 5 minutes of each other. Ask how many artists a typical Zoomer can name. Ask someone who grew up in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. There will be a difference of one or two orders of magnitude. Again, not all Zoomers. And, it is due in part to the times we live in. Even non-Zoomer generations are getting more distracted, present proggers excluded.

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Zoomers are said to value convenience, and brevity, and shorter tracks can be more convenient, especially if they are being used as the background of your dance moves on Tik-Tok. My kids are Gen-Z (16 and 20). One, the 16 year old, favours classical music (including true classical, romantic music, and soundtrack music) especially piano pieces, and he likes to compose music for the piano, and he likes Nat King Cole, and various of a rather similar ilk singers who play piano, and my other favours more kinds of emo and goth music, and music that became popular with Cos-players on Tik-Tok. Neither of my kids got into Prog.
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Turns out I'm a zoomer, this is news to me. I was born in 2006 and didn't discover the land of prog until like 2020. I was watching a YouTube guitarist play weird riffs when he played "Frame by Frame" the rest is history. I have listened to probably too much prog from the popular to obscure to the practically non-existent(I'm talking to you Spectra). What brought me to love this music can be best explained by something Rory Ridley-Duff said on an interview here on PA is was along the lines of "prog is for people who want more from music than a three minute love song". As a zoomer prog head I can say that the reason they aren't really into prog is it is extraneously difficult to discover. I never heard of prog despite hearing Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Supertramp etc. my whole life. That's just what I think because no one I talk to knows what prog is and neither did I. But attention span also probably has something to do with it.

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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I am a gen Xer and while most of my classmates in high school listened to rock music (which is indicative of being from a predominately white middle class suburb mixed in some wealthier country club types), very few listened to "prog" though Rush and Pink Floyd was popular as AOR staples.

Yup. Being a teenage prog fan in the 80's didn't exactly get you a prom date. Of course I was all over the map. I had a mohawk and was just as likely to pull into the parking lot blasting Yes as I was Subhumans or Slayer.  
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What an interesting thread! 

I don't know if radio is still relevant to the young....as a high school student (1969-73), our AM radio stations played a ton of prog including Roundabout, Hocus Pocus, From the Beginning, Knights in White Satin etc.  

I have one radio station in the car I listen to, it is a "classic rock" station.  Typical old Dad-Rock like Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple etc.  

Therefore, much of our exposure at home is from watching TV shows.  The American show "Saturday Night Live" introduced us to many contemporary acts, and I notice that live performance seems to always require a bevy of dancers!!  

Imagine dancing to "Close to the Edge" or "Fracture!" (actually, Toyah Fripp tap-danced to Fracture on YouTube!) 


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You could do a psychology experiment. Get a randomized sample of Zoomers. Put each one of them in a room, play Tarkus or Supper’s Ready, and see how long it takes for them to run out of there. Repeat with different generations.

On another tangent, it takes me all of 3 seconds to run out of a store at Xmas time when I hear “All I Want For Christmas Is You”. Fleeing I should say.

Maybe that’s the true measure of how proggy a song is. How long do they stay in the room?

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It just shows how times have changed.In the 70s and 80s if I was subjected to CCR, The Eagles and Led Zeppelin I'd exit the room. That's a major red flag to society today. I don't conceive it that way. I've always disliked that music.
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