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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

What also important is showing boomers some zoomer prog!
I'll start doing this right now, with this fire of a record released today:

This isn't quite "Zoomer" prog. Jay MacLendon, the brain behind glass beach, formerly of Casio Dad fame has been around for a while.
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What also important is showing boomers some zoomer prog!
I'll start doing this right now, with this fire of a record released today:



Edited by Prog-jester - January 19 2024 at 11:44
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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

jeez some skull mearusing theories in this thread...

Lotsa zoomers are legit into weird music, thanks to memes and reddit and TikTok, and some of it IS borderline prog. The problem is not with the music itself tho but with the culture around prog - it's "boring dad music", always was*, always will be.

So it will never be popular again, unless another cool modern prog artist temporarily changes that, just like The Mars Volta did twenty (!) years ago. Actually Sleep Token could've become THE New Prog Band but these days they're too busy ripping off Deftones and The Weeknd instead

*well, starting from the arrival of punk
Hence why it's important to encourage Zoomers to get into Prog, so that the stigma of Prog being for Boomers goes away.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog-jester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2024 at 08:40
jeez some skull mearusing theories in this thread...

Lotsa zoomers are legit into weird music, thanks to memes and reddit and TikTok, and some of it IS borderline prog. The problem is not with the music itself tho but with the culture around prog - it's "boring dad music", always was*, always will be.

So it will never be popular again, unless another cool modern prog artist temporarily changes that, just like The Mars Volta did twenty (!) years ago. Actually Sleep Token could've become THE New Prog Band but these days they're too busy ripping off Deftones and The Weeknd instead

*well, starting from the arrival of punk
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I recall being is a record store some years ago that had a prog section and a big one at that. A zoomer couple were walking by the prog aisle when the female stopped and started looking through the Spock's Beard catalogue. She asked her male counterpart what "prog" was. He dismissed her immediately and said "it must be stupid sh*t! Look at the band's name of the album you're holding. Spock's Beard! Stupid!" He rushed her back to the Coldplay music section, but she still looked back at the prog album titles. I hope she came back one day and looked further. So, condemnation from the male without even knowing what the music sounded like. That speaks volumes.

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I got into prog (inadvertently) because of my dad, it went something like this (this all started back in early 2021):

>Start getting into music
>Find out longer songs (Hotel California, American Pie) are cool
>Get into Dire Straits
>Telegraph Road introduces you to 10+ minute songs and has cool soundscapes, it becomes your favorite song for a while
>Hear 'Money' on the radio, (it's my first Pink Floyd song)
>I decide this is a pretty good song with some epic guitar solos
>Listen to The Dark Side of the Moon (a spiritual experience indeed!)
>Become obsessed with Pink Floyd
>Watch YouTube videos about Prog (First time I heard the term)
>Discover ProgArchives and Join the forum
>Learn about music that might be better than Pink Floyd
>Accept there is music better than Pink Floyd
>Become a Prog-Head
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2024 at 06:11
As a boomer myself, I don't recall many that listened to progressive rock back then. And it wasn't labeled as prog or progressive where I grew up. Never heard the label until the early 90's.

So it appears not much has changed.
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My daughter (16) likes a variety of music. She can happily listen to the latest cookie cutter pop song on the radio or something a bit different like Green Day and My Chemical Romance, as well as a lot of other stuff. She LOVES the Great Gig in the Sky by Floyd. She's in marching band and that has exposed her to all sorts of stuff such as Kansas, and System of a Down. She's really getting into 80s music as well. She even has a couple of Rush songs on her Spotify playlist Big smile

Is she going to start listening to Supper's Ready or A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers or 2112? Is she going to dig into Gentle Giant's catalog? Probably not, but she is not opposed to trying out new stuff and even longer compositions.
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Maybe if "Stranger Things" saturates another episode with a prog rock classic another career will be resurrected.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2024 at 14:10
I had to look it up also to make sure it didn't mean someone who uses zoom. ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2024 at 13:53
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

What is a zoomer?


I didn't know either, but I googled it. LOL
Same. I had too google that to make sure it isn't something different than a Gen Z-er. xd
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

What is a zoomer?

I didn't know either, but I googled it. LOL
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What is a zoomer?

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I'm a Boomer not a Zoomer.
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First of all, most of prog's history was in the 70s and not 80s. Prog wasn't much more known in the 80s than in the 90s. In fact pure prog started to resurge in the 90s whereas in the 80s it was mostly commercial and poppy stuff from the 70s bands (with some exceptions of course). Anyway, the truth is there are prog fans from all generations. A lot of times it seems there are hardly any prog fans who got into it in the 80s (like me) because you didn't hear much about it. At the time I didn't know anyone else who was into it (or even heard of it or most of the bands). Sure, people knew Genesis, Rush and Pink Floyd but hardly anyone at the time associated them with the term prog because you didn't hear that term much (if at all). Being a Yes fan or being a Genesis fan didn't (and still doesn't) make you a prog fan (imo).With the exception of the 70s prog has pretty much always been a genre that you had to go out of your way looking for to find it (for the most part). You might stumble upon it by accident online but if you weren't already at least somewhat familiar with the bands associated with it you would probably pay no attention to it and not investigate further.

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Originally posted by duchamp duchamp wrote:

As a Zoomer myself, I think the reason why Zoomers aren't really into progressive rock that much is because of the fact that most of its history surrounds itself in the 70s and '80s. I don't think it has anything to do with Zoomers getting dumber because that's a reactionary stereotype, however. It's essentially the fact that they wouldn't know the foundational prog bands because they don't really listen to music like that.

What do y'all think?

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I don't have an answer but I think that every generation has the same problem. A lot of it has to do with the media ... the 60's took place because there was a lot of vital, and different media around to help create a new scene. Nowadays, the media is all controlled by the same folks, and there is no alternative publication as we found 50 years ago.

The Internet, I originally thought, was going to be the great leveller that helped maintain what the alternative media outlets did in the 60's ... but intest, it has become a commercial junkyard with so much misinformation and a lot of advertising, making it look like something is great ... and sadly enough, there is no alternative media that fights that because the majority of Internet outlets are owned by the media ... and the shock stuff and the pod-craps are not helping ... some are good, but some are nuts and not very good at all, but they fill a niche that I think could be called the "lemmingmania" of the Internet. 

I, honestly, think that a lot of that stuff is done intentionally so that you, as a listener, can not make a decision as to something being good or better, or the like ... the minute you think you found your words for this or that, a day later you find something that breaks up what you thought ... and that makes it really hard to deal with tastes and scenes ... which is another story ... you can see all the listings and numbers about new this and that ... and none of them are a part of a real artistic scene, and that is a sign of things that won't go very far ... the 60's was an artistic scene, with film (rock was 10 years behind!!!), theater, literature and all the arts ... today ... almost nothing! It's like the "art" of it all is hidden, or doesn't exist ... which (0f course) only makes everyone thing that in the end, it is all just pop music ... so yeah ... numbers everyone!

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Here are a few of the multiple reasons why Gen-Z is less likely to embrace Prog/Jazz/Classical.  
 
Language.  Gen-Z communicates more via texting.  Gen-Z lacks verbal and aural stimulation/experiences.  Their verbal skills are stunted and muted.  Employers constantly complain that Gen-Z have difficulty expressing themselves verbally.  Their musical tastes are influenced by the complexity of their verbal/aural experience. 

Short Attention span.  I-phones, media, and social media shortened attention spans. Complex music requires extended attention spans.

Environmental interaction structures brains. I've observed this as my personal experience. When I was Gen-Z's age I didn't listen exclusively to Prog/Jazz/Classical music. I also listened to less complex Pop and rock. As the years passed, my brain got bored with predictable Pop/rock.  Now, my brain craves complex time signatures and surprising shifts in my aural milieu.  It's a function of the human evolution of the brain.  When I go to the beach, I hear the waves from my beach house.  At a primitive level, my brain notices the new aural input. Evolution makes the brain notice changes in the environment. Is this ocean wave sound dangerous?  Does this ocean wave sound signal new enriched resources?  After a day or two, the brain filters out the conscious sound of the waves because it doesn't signal danger or new resources.  Of course, I can still hear the waves...if I focus.  Back to music.  Prog, jazz, and classical stimulate my brain to take notice because my brain detects nuances in the sounds that are novel. My brain hasn't heard that exact tone, melody, rhythm, or sequence of time signature changes before.   My brain is stimulated.   

What is my point?  Some members of Gen-Z will gravitate toward Progressive music as they age.  This will probably be a function of their personality.  Audodidacts, hedonists, information junkies, and people who naturally sieve a higher proportion of the environment via thinking versus those who experience more of the environment through their instincts and emotions. Wink

There are other reasons that Gen-Z doesn't listen to prog.  Consider that Jethro Tull's album "A Passion Play" spent a week at #1 number one.  Gen-Z isn't exposed to such complex music. They won't feel the nostalgic pull of complex music and variety that previous generations experienced. 

I wonder what percentage of Gen-Z play in high school band or take music lessons as compared to the past?  I don't know the answer.  I know I played clarinet from 6th grade through 12th grade. I imagine that a higher percentage of musicians are drawn to prog...especially ones who form bands after high school.



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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The default position for any generation is to not to care about music that is art based. There are plenty of boomers with horrible music taste to go round. A good tune is more important to the vast majority but that may be because they don't know any different. Arguably Prog rock as a movememt was an abhorration or one time deal that had to be spoon fed through albums like DSOTM and Crime Of The Century for the populace to understand it. Even the supposedly high minded Rolling Stone mag failed to 'get' it when they decided that ITCOTCK was just pretentious junk. Inevitably prog was discarded very easily when some idiots (the cabal that is the music industry) decided that punk was the future instead. That was a lot easier to sell and they didn't need to work hard to do it. You didn't even need to find people who could play an instrument properly.

Further on I don't think there is any reason for modern equivalents of prog to be recognised. It's not even about attention span. I have a terrible attention span and always have. The music industry is by far the biggest problem. It does nothing and Spocks Beard even wrote a song (a very long song!) about this but no one is literally listening and that's a horrible irony just in itself. Zoomers will find their own way good or bad. If they care about music they will find something good, and it may be in Rap or Hip Hop rather than so called 'prog' which barely exists as a thing anyway. Prog as a movement hasn't existed for a long time. It's part of history and it would need to be taught at schools to get a wider appreciation. I'm guessing that DSOTM is still the go to prog album for any generation but it's only going to scatch the surface. 
actually, i do think that prog still exists, but its not a singular movement. its more a diverse array of styles n approaches that can't really be boxed into one scene
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I teach music to a lot of young people. Today's youngster is not much into bands or live music. Go to your local live music club and you will see mostly middle-aged and older.
Most young people I know are into music you can do by yourself with a phone, ipad or computer. They like electronica, rap, hip-hop, video game soundtracks etc. I quit teaching guitar because few kids want to rock out anymore.
Oddly enough, playing a band instrument and getting in the school marching band still has its appeal and I still get a lot of students on saxophone and flute because of that. I still have a lot of piano students too who like a wide variety of music including classical.
but isn't it great that music technology has increased in accessibility? it has never been easier to create stunning works of art, imo, and there is a lot of great music out there today, simply because of the internets ability 2 make DAWS easier to download n learn
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My younger daughter is a zoomer. She sings while listening to Pink Floyd's Time and wanted Radiohead's OK Computer vynil for Xmas. (I'm not a Radiohead fan, she hasn't heard them from me). She loves Nirvana (Kobain's, not the old prog band) that's not prog but before her time as well.

The problem is not the age, but the eventual presence of void between the ears.

While writing I'm listening to Steve Miller's Band "Brave New World". I was 7 years old when it was released.

Said so, I have to say that "mythology" has always been fundamental. Listening or reading about bigs of the past has always been influential in every epoch, but only to people with open minds and novoid between the ears.

Then, there's also people without voids but with no interest in music, it's "legal". I have no interest in dance or sculpture, that's my void.
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